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Old 02-23-12, 01:33 AM   #1
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Hi everyone! I recently conducted a small experiment with a few mods in SC/DW and thought i'd share the results.

a. I chose the mission "Iran to the Straight" from the original Sub Command. I made no changes to the mission other than converting for DW.

b. The mission usually plays in 1 of two ways. either the 2 Iranian kilos are slightly to the west at the start, or they are slightly north with one kilo shadowing a super-tanker. I chose to restart the mission until I got the first 'seed'. The east-most Kilo I refer to as kilo 1 and the western most kilo as kilo 2.

c. Kilo 1 usually cruises at around 12 kts (cavitating) and most often turns away and heads north or west at some point.

d. Kilo 2 always cruises at 6 kts and attempts to head south towards the arabian sea. Its the mission critical kilo.

e. Ownship is always 688i with TA streamed. In each mission I set course 275, 8 kts and 150 ft depth until I get contact with 1 of the kilos.


Results:

1. Sub Command with SCX II mod. Detected Kilo 1 at 4600 yds on the TB-16D (default with this mod). Kilo turned north, I launched an ADCAP and sunk the kilo. He only evaded at the last minute. I detected Kilo 2 at roughly 2600 yds on TB-16D and casually launched another ADCAP. target did not evade and was sunk.

2. Dangerous Waters 1.04 (no mods). Did not detect Kilo 1 at all. Kilo 2 was detected first on Spherical array at 1700 yds, followed shortly by TB-16. Launched ADCAP. Target quickly launched 53 cm at me and evaded. Target kilo sunk. I attempted to evade but at such short range, was futile. Ownship sunk by 53 cm.

3. Dangerous Waters with Reinforce Alert 1.35 mod. Kilo 1 detected at 17,000 yds on TB-23. too far to engage, target headed west. Kilo 2 detected at 3000 yds on TB-23. Launched ADCAP, target counter-fired a Shkvall. Target kilo evaded but was sunk. Ownship 43% damage from Shkvall.

4. Dangerous Waters with LWAMI 3.11 mod. Detected Kilo 1 at about 10,000 yds on the TB-23 but she turned north and I decided not to engage. Detected Kilo 2 at roughly 6,000 yds, launched ADCAP and sunk target. Target did attempt to evade.


Conclusions. Each game seems to have quite different detection figures, with the RA mod being the longest and stock DW the lowest. In only RA and stock DW did the target counter-fire. I can say from testing that the AI is RA is very aggressive and almost always counter-fires. In every test, despite target evasion the ADCAPs always scored hits.
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Old 02-23-12, 06:41 AM   #2
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good evaluation results but more missions and more testing would be needed to come to a universal system given that most detection range data is classified by the Defence industries were unlikely to know true ranges.

i personally play RA but thats because i prefer the other ships in the assortment.
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Agreed. This was more or less just for fun, not meant to prove anything or which mod is 'best'. We may never know which is the most realistic. I'll post a few more tests, just for fun. Both RA and LWAMI are great. RA seems a little buggy to me however but the choices of platforms is impressive.
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i loved SCX so RA is a natural thing of progression LWAMI is an excellent mod i know both parties involved in creating it and together they have done more for the subsim by giving us this freeware.

im impressed by the udaloy however i need alot more practice in this since 2007 ive been driving the perry frigates rather than the akulas and found this to be more forfilling as its harder to evade and also your more vulnreble to attack.

i enjoy both mods and im conducting my own workouts both in submarines and also surface units i prefer the surface units its a shame theres not much in the way of choice between them however the submarines availible are impressive none the less.
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I'm running RA v1.35 and modified the Sicilian Wedding mission by Bill Nicholls to use the Collins Class Submarine in this theatre of events and find it much more difficult now to not be detected thus the strategy in sneaking past a heavy patrolled locality is almost impossible but doable if I know the best approach in being undetected...\\The Collins Class is meant to be in the top ten of the diesel/electric subs where silence is concerned.

Each time I've been picked off by an ASROC but currently 'touch wood' I'm still alive by using another approach to reach this particular objective..(objective being infiltation 10km from harbour and photographing ships)

The sub's sensors do detect much easier in RA though and that goes on both sides (being subs and surface and air for that matter)
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I agree, detectibility in RA is on the higher end of what i've seen. In my last test, detecting a 12 kt kilo in shallow waters at 17 Kyds seemed a little far to me. (using RA)

My next test will be the Sub Command mission "Arctic Hide and Seek". (one of my favorites) stay tuned for my results.
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Test 2.

Mission "arctic hide and seek" from Sub Command. Mission needed the southern most Victor III added for DW missions. Mission plays one of two ways. 90% of the time, Typhoon and Akula I Improved are north of player. 10% of time, Typhoon with Victor III escort are south of player. In each variant, both Typhoon and escort are moving at 8 kts, roughly at 200 ft.

Tactics: Given the high chance of targets being north, I always set course 015, speed 10 kts and depth 400 ft in Seawolf for each test. If by chance, there is no contact once im within 2000 yds of Polynya, I will launch UUV. If still no contact, I will Ping once on active.

Results:

1. Sub Command with SCX II. Detect Typhoon at 2800 yds on Spherical array. I know escort must be close, since im so close to typhoon. I ready 3 tubes. 2 ADCAPS for the typhoon and 1 for a snapshot. I slow to 5 kts, send out one ping. Akula detected at 4,000 yds. I quickly launch 2 ADCAPS at typhoon and 1 snapshot at the Akula. Typhoon has no time to react and is destroyed by both ADCAPs. Akula counter-fires and I begin to evade. I am quickly pounded by 2 sucessive blasts. ownship 85% damage and I surmise he must have fired 2 Shkvall at me. My own ADCAP begins homing and Akula fires another torpedo at me. With only 4 kts available I await my death, even though I launch CMs and evade anyways. His torpedo misses! (USET-80). He is hit by my ADCAP and sunk! I play out the mission, and attempt to surface through the ice. depth control wont respond, so I rig in the planes and emergency blow! I hammer into 5 feet of ice and dont crash through. I remain trapped and heavily damaged under the ice cap.

2. Dangerous Waters 1.04. Detect Typhoon at 5200 yds on Spherical array. Seems he's in my forward baffle of the TB-16. I turn and gain contact on the TA. I track the typhoon for a few moments and soon detect the Akula at 6400 yds. I again ready 3 torpedoes. I fire 2 at the typhoon and 1 at the Akula. Both targets evade. Typhoon is sunk, Akula counterfires but his torpedoes hit an ice keel and fail. My ADCAP tracks true and sinks him. (fairly easy?)

3. Reinforce Alert 1.35. Typhoon detected at 5,000 yds and Akula detected at 6,000 yds. Both on TB-23. I ready 3 torpedoes and fire. Both target immediatly counter-fire. Myself and both targets evade with multiple CMs. all 3 of my ADCAPS miss and track CMs instead, i'm unable to guide them manually since im evading. (sonar washout). Enemy torpedoes miss. Once I think i'm safe, I slow down and ready 2 more adcaps. This time, I hammer out an active ping. Both targets detected within 5,000 kyds. I fire both ADCAPs quickly. One ADCAP sinks the typhoon (just one?) and my other ADCAP appears to miss. Akula counter-fires and I gamble: stay slow for a bit longer to manually guide my torp to re-aquire. It pays off, ADCAP appears to reaquire and I then begin to evade. Snapping off my towed array, I dive deep and goto flank..tossing out multiple act and pass CMs. Akula sunk and I survive after a 'gunfight'.

4. LWAMI 3.11. Typhoon detected at 5,000 yds, I track him for a while untill I detect Akula at 7,000 yds. I launch 3 ADCAPs and targets evade. No units counter-fire. Typhoon sunk, but Akula evades my ADCAP. it takes some tweaking, but im finally able to reaquire and guide the ADCAP onto him and sink him. (perhaps he was reloading his CM tubes?)


Conclusions. Detection ranges are all quite similar except SC:SCX. In all other cases, the typhoon was detected around 5 Kyds and the Akula just over 6 Kyds. The RA test turned into a real gunfight, which I attribute to highly effective CMs. I was also able to sink the Typhoon in RA with just one ADCAP. (fluke?)
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