Malaysian Airlines MH317

Jimbuna · 07-17-14, 12:46 PM

Another Malaysian tragedy

Quote:

A Malaysian airliner carrying 295 people has crashed in east Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, amid allegations it was shot down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28354856

CCIP · 07-17-14, 12:47 PM

actually it's just 17

FlightAware ADS-B data tracked it all the way until about a minute before shootdown

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

mapuc · 07-17-14, 12:59 PM

This is from Carl Bildt the Swedish Foreign Minister saying to a Swedish Newspaper

" If it is true, then it is "so terrible as it may be, that the passenger aircraft has been shot down."

He believes that it will have very far-reaching consequences if the data on the planet really have been shot down by Ukrainian separatists is correct.

- Not just for the separatists, but also for those who ensure that the separatists get this type of weapon. There are reports that Russia has provided the group with advanced anti-aircraft missiles, more advanced than we have in Sweden.

Foreign Minister Bildt also writes on Twitter that there are signs that Russia has supplied separatists in Ukraine with advanced anti-aircraft missiles."

Markus

kranz · 07-17-14, 01:02 PM

could anyone translate this?
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...32194311_n.jpg

Herr-Berbunch · 07-17-14, 01:08 PM

Aaaaaaaaaaand the rumour-mill starts.

Russian gloating on social media about shooting down Ukrainian 'cargo' plane, all comments suddenly removed.

Why are civvy airlines routing flights over a such a volatile region?

Biggles · 07-17-14, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Aaaaaaaaaaand the rumour-mill starts.

Russian gloating on social media about shooting down Ukrainian 'cargo' plane, all comments suddenly removed.

Why are civvy airlines routing flights over a such a volatile region?

This was my first thought as well. I hate it when security-related changes are made after tragedy strikes.

Then again, might be too early to determine exactly the cause of the crash. In any case, a real shame and great tragedy for everyone involved.

Dread Knot · 07-17-14, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Why are civvy airlines routing flights over a such a volatile region?

Maybe because nobody expected them to be idiotic enough to randomly shoot at planes flying over their airspace without proper radar confirmation...? Though, one would think with all of the precautions being taken lately, it would be better to be cautious.

Well, whatever the reason, or whoever it was if a launch is confirmed, it seems that it would be insane and almost inconceivable for it to be a Ukrainian launch, because the rebels don't actually have airplanes....that I know of. But then there will be the false flag spin as well.

Biggles · 07-17-14, 01:31 PM

I've read on some other forums that the rebels have some SU-25s at their disposal. Haven't seen anything that confirms this tho.

Oberon · 07-17-14, 01:35 PM

Rumour has it that it was a Buk SAM launcher. both Ukraine and Russia use them as frontline launchers, it's unknown if the Russian separatists operate any, although it's thought that they use Manpads which wouldn't have the range to reach the aircraft at 33,000 ft.

So it's either a Russian, Ukrainian or pro-Russian missile that's responsible for this. It's alledged that the US has satellites that can ID the IR signature of a SAM launch, so they might be able to shed some light on the owner of the missile...alternatively it's entirely possible that an aircraft shot it down with an air-to-air missile, which would put it out of the fault of the pro-Russian separatists.

mapuc · 07-17-14, 01:36 PM

Shouldn't we wait until the Ukrainian NSTB have made a report of what made this plane crash.

It's nothing more than speculation.

I'll wait and so does the Western politicians

Markus

Oberon · 07-17-14, 01:44 PM

Well, the FDR has been found and allegedly being sent to Moscow...

Jimbuna · 07-17-14, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, the FDR has been found and allegedly being sent to Moscow...

Now the rumours of possible tampering will begin

mapuc · 07-17-14, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, the FDR has been found and allegedly being sent to Moscow...

Now I write with a suspicious mind

Is that a smart move to make? The Russian could make this FDR "disappear"
(if it was shot down by separatist using an advanced Russian SAM-system)

Wouldn't it have been better to hand it over to a third party...let say Switzerland

Markus

Catfish · 07-17-14, 01:55 PM

I wonder if the truth will come out, whatever it is.
Could as well be a hull crack, engine failure or electrical problem, would not be the first time with the 777.
But we should at least wait for the official saying, upon which then all agree

mapuc · 07-17-14, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I wonder if the truth will come out, whatever it is.
Could as well be a hull crack, engine failure or electrical problem, would not be the first time with the 777.
But we should at least wait for the official saying, upon which then all agree

Agree lets wait

Markus

07-17-14, 12:47 PM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	actually it's just 17 FlightAware ADS-B data tracked it all the way until about a minute before shootdown http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17 __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

07-17-14, 01:08 PM	#5
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Aaaaaaaaaaand the rumour-mill starts. Russian gloating on social media about shooting down Ukrainian 'cargo' plane, all comments suddenly removed. Why are civvy airlines routing flights over a such a volatile region? __________________

07-17-14, 01:31 PM	#8
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I've read on some other forums that the rebels have some SU-25s at their disposal. Haven't seen anything that confirms this tho. __________________

07-17-14, 12:59 PM	#3
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,832 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	This is from Carl Bildt the Swedish Foreign Minister saying to a Swedish Newspaper " If it is true, then it is "so terrible as it may be, that the passenger aircraft has been shot down." He believes that it will have very far-reaching consequences if the data on the planet really have been shot down by Ukrainian separatists is correct. - Not just for the separatists, but also for those who ensure that the separatists get this type of weapon. There are reports that Russia has provided the group with advanced anti-aircraft missiles, more advanced than we have in Sweden. Foreign Minister Bildt also writes on Twitter that there are signs that Russia has supplied separatists in Ukraine with advanced anti-aircraft missiles." Markus

07-17-14, 01:02 PM	#4
kranz The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,430 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	could anyone translate this? https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...32194311_n.jpg

07-17-14, 01:35 PM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Rumour has it that it was a Buk SAM launcher. both Ukraine and Russia use them as frontline launchers, it's unknown if the Russian separatists operate any, although it's thought that they use Manpads which wouldn't have the range to reach the aircraft at 33,000 ft. So it's either a Russian, Ukrainian or pro-Russian missile that's responsible for this. It's alledged that the US has satellites that can ID the IR signature of a SAM launch, so they might be able to shed some light on the owner of the missile...alternatively it's entirely possible that an aircraft shot it down with an air-to-air missile, which would put it out of the fault of the pro-Russian separatists.

07-17-14, 01:36 PM	#10
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,832 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Shouldn't we wait until the Ukrainian NSTB have made a report of what made this plane crash. It's nothing more than speculation. I'll wait and so does the Western politicians Markus

07-17-14, 01:44 PM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, the FDR has been found and allegedly being sent to Moscow...

07-17-14, 01:55 PM	#14
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,892 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I wonder if the truth will come out, whatever it is. Could as well be a hull crack, engine failure or electrical problem, would not be the first time with the 777. But we should at least wait for the official saying, upon which then all agree