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Old 07-26-08, 03:35 PM   #211
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Old 07-27-08, 07:31 PM   #212
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It's not that you're relying on your tracers for aiming. It's using all those rules and then bringing in your cannons only when you're sure of a hit. It's falling in line with numbers 1 and 3 more than anything. If you're in a good firing position you should be putting as much lead on the target as possible. Meaning you're fairly close, in turn suggesting that the cannon's difference in trajectory and shell weight has no bearing on the firing.

It also sounds like you're suggesting that the cannon shells are going somewhere completely different than the machine gun rounds. It's been quite a long time since I've playing IL-2, but the convergence point for your weapons should not be so much different from each other that they are coming together at widly different places making this method a waste.
Of course you bring everything to bear when at close range, but at close range you don't need tracers for aiming the cannons. At long range one might need them, but it's just not wise to use them for aiming because of the trajectory(assuming target is not near the convergence point) and muzzle velocity differences. The IL-2 convergence point is still what it used to be: all weapons converge there. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but it's also possible to set up different convergence ranges for MGs and cannons. Highly useful in for example BF-109E4: wing cannons set to 120 meters for those close range kill shots, and the nose MGs set to 300 meters for longer range pot shots(their convergence doesn't matter much as they're in the nose anyway).

Check out this tool: Sniper's corner. It's really really useful for visualising different targeting situations and comparing different weapons.
I do remember that you can change convergences now that you mention it.
Either way, I'm not really talking about using my tracers to guide cannon rounds. It's more of not even opening up with cannons until you're sure of a hit and part of that decision was looking at how/when the MG rounds were landing. Like working a boxer over with jabs waiting for the right opportunity to throw your right cross or uppercut.

With the Bf 109E's weapon set up that 1-2 punch combination always took more attention and caution than later variants (The F4 was always my favorite. I've actually never flown any 109 variant later than it). But, that system of checking MG hits before touching my cannon trigger has always afforded me effective and economic use of the low ammo load out.

I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.
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Old 07-27-08, 11:15 PM   #213
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With the Bf 109E's weapon set up that 1-2 punch combination always took more attention and caution than later variants (The F4 was always my favorite. I've actually never flown any 109 variant later than it). But, that system of checking MG hits before touching my cannon trigger has always afforded me effective and economic use of the low ammo load out.

I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.
In 109s F-variants are my favourite too, and maybe G-2, but nothing newer than that. A real joy to fly, and all the weapons are in the nose making their employment easy. The P-38(all variants) is great for exactly the same reasons.

Feel free to join us, new players are always welcome! A few more and we have a full strength squadron(with no flyable planes after a few missions)
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Old 07-27-08, 11:15 PM   #214
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I'm looking to pick up 1946 tonight and would love to play with you guys tomorrow depending on what time you get together.
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Old 07-28-08, 01:25 AM   #215
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Hmmm... That's about 1400 my time. I'll try stop stop by on my days off.
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Old 07-28-08, 06:20 AM   #216
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I would vote for the BF109-G ''Gustav'' 2,

it has perfomance and firepower nicely balanced and has the capabilities to carry some gunpods to shoot down bombers with.

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Old 07-28-08, 06:37 AM   #217
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I like the Gustav, but I'll settle for the Friedrich if we could just get it sooner...
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Old 07-28-08, 09:33 AM   #218
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For overall performance, I'd take the G2. Simply for the looks, E4.
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Old 07-28-08, 10:14 AM   #219
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Well I must say the Emil surprised me in its performance a lot when flying it in this Grand Campaign.

it has good performance, the cannons need to be used properly to be effective and it handles very nice for a 109.

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Old 07-28-08, 04:41 PM   #220
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I'm beginning to think that if I retire the average effectiveness of the squadron will go up! Every time I get even near to getting a kill I wind up dead or in the latest debacle, captured.
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Old 07-28-08, 04:52 PM   #221
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Le Frenchies will make you eat le smelly cheeze now

I managed to kill a Blenheim on the first sortie but got my engine fried (Managed to save the plane though)

On the second sortie I was miles away from everyone else when I got jumped by at least 3 Hurris, I managed to mortally wound one (didn't get credit though) but 2 got on my tail and demolished my Ailerons (managed to bail out and survive though)
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Old 07-28-08, 09:20 PM   #222
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Well I must say the Emil surprised me in its performance a lot when flying it in this Grand Campaign.

it has good performance, the cannons need to be used properly to be effective and it handles very nice for a 109.

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I'm a fan of early model 109's. The E's and the F's are all I've flown. While it has the BnZ strentghs that all 109's have, the Emils and Friedrichs still maintain flight characteristics that seem to allow it handle TnB a little better than later models. Unfortunately the F2 model is underarmed.
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Old 07-28-08, 11:08 PM   #223
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Has it been confimed yet? Did we get Göring or not?

Apparently I at least got his plane. When the "Göring carriers" got attacked I was miles away and barely saw the tracers, yet got a "Friendly Aircraft destroyed" message. Did I fly too close to them when IDing a few minutes earlier or what? Even the three Hurris downed after that didn't help because of the "unfortunate" attempt to land without elevator or rudder control Sometimes one should just listen to Schultz and NICHT LANDEN!

Oh well, the Low Countries are soon done, France here we come!

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Old 07-29-08, 01:47 AM   #224
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Yeah, our Ground Forces are pushing their way to Antwerp rather quickly, we might even capture it by tomorrow
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Old 07-29-08, 02:47 AM   #225
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Picked this up today. Boy, do I need some work...
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