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Old 10-14-15, 12:51 PM   #271
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I understand that with Windows 10 Pro versions you have some control over when updates and downloaded and installed. Apparently you cannot decide not to install them but have some control on when or how.
For some that is a good thing. I can say from experience that some just do not get a good grasp on computers. They use them but keeping the computer functional and up to date is a mystery to them. My W is one of them.
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Old 10-14-15, 02:49 PM   #272
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For some that is a good thing. I can say from experience that some just do not get a good grasp on computers. They use them but keeping the computer functional and up to date is a mystery to them. My W is one of them.
And that is why it is so despicable that we can't trust Microsoft not to push advertising on her, spy on her, secretly download all the installation files to Windows 10 so that with a click she can get the whole dose of adware/spyware that it is. When 11 "updates" are not updates at all, but adware and spyware snuck onto our machines, Microsoft has roundly turned the corner from having our back to putting knives in it.

Until the "dirty 11" (so far) updates, Windows 7 was working for our benefit. We could trust that when we pushed the start menu we wouldn't be bombarded by animated rectangles hawking who knows what for us to buy. The start menu was to help us control our computers. No longer, with Windows 10. Now it's an advertising vector. How long before there's porn on there?

In the old days, with Microsoft's former definition of an update, putting Windows 7 on automatic update was a perfect solution for people like your wife. Now it's putting her out for the slaughter as Microsoft sells updates for whatever brings money their way, regardless of harm to customers.

How about a computer that kids also use. Click on a cool animated start menu tile and buy an Xbox game for an Xbox they don't even have for $50. There is so much potential for harm here. I don't want that stuff in my face. My operating system is not a vector for advertising that I can't shut off.
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Old 10-14-15, 04:09 PM   #273
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Have you investigated this?
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

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Free antispy tool for Windows 10


O&O ShutUp10 means you have full control over which comfort functions under Windows 10 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on of your data goes too far.

Using a very simple interface, you decide how Windows 10 should respect your privacy by deciding which unwanted functions should be deactivated.

O&O ShutUp10 is entirely free and does not have to be installed – it can be simply run directly and immediately on your PC. And it will not install or download retrospectively unwanted or unnecessary software, like so many other programs do these days!

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Old 10-14-15, 05:18 PM   #274
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Have you investigated this?
http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
Pretty neat! Hope it does more than just work the controls Windows elected to give users. You can turn all those off and still give up twice daily info dumps to the Microsoft Server. I'll have a look!

Now I need a captive Windows 10 installation to play with. Virtualbox to the rescue!

I have used O & O Software products before and they were great quality.
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Old 10-15-15, 10:40 AM   #275
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And that is why it is so despicable that we can't trust Microsoft not to push advertising on her, spy on her, secretly download all the installation files to Windows 10 so that with a click she can get the whole dose of adware/spyware that it is. When 11 "updates" are not updates at all, but adware and spyware snuck onto our machines, Microsoft has roundly turned the corner from having our back to putting knives in it.

Until the "dirty 11" (so far) updates, Windows 7 was working for our benefit. We could trust that when we pushed the start menu we wouldn't be bombarded by animated rectangles hawking who knows what for us to buy. The start menu was to help us control our computers. No longer, with Windows 10. Now it's an advertising vector. How long before there's porn on there?

In the old days, with Microsoft's former definition of an update, putting Windows 7 on automatic update was a perfect solution for people like your wife. Now it's putting her out for the slaughter as Microsoft sells updates for whatever brings money their way, regardless of harm to customers.

How about a computer that kids also use. Click on a cool animated start menu tile and buy an Xbox game for an Xbox they don't even have for $50. There is so much potential for harm here. I don't want that stuff in my face. My operating system is not a vector for advertising that I can't shut off.
Fortunately my W does everything on her Android phone. That is a whole other story.
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http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows...er-no-opt-out/

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So much for freedom of choice.

MS is clearly getting worrying the way this is going.
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Old 10-15-15, 01:55 PM   #278
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Default KB3035583 update

For Win 7 users who were surprised to see the Win 10 'Upgrade now' nag icon reappear after Tuesday's monthly patch release, uninstall the KB3035583 update.

It took one hour and deleted 1,365 MB of the files that Microsoft had installed on my computer to prepare it for a quick transition.

I realize I am in the minority, however I like and want to stay with Win 7. I posted this in case there are other people who like their Windows 7 operating system.

Hope this is helpful information for someone.
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A friend I know has Win7 on a notebook and has been very lucky not a jot of Win10 nagware or spyware lucky sod.
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Yeah, my Dell Inspiron laptop has not seen anything about Win 10 either. I plan to keep this laptop with Win7, my new one will have Win10.
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If you're running Windows 7 there is another update you have to add to my "dirty 10" in order not to be retrofitted with Windows 10 spying tools and not to be pestered to update to Windows 10. Here's the updated list so far:
KB2952664 KB2976978 KB2977759 KB3022345 KB3050267 KB3055583 KB3068708 KB3075249 KB3080149 KB3083710 KB3090045
Hey RR, thanks for the detailed instructions on the other 10 to delete - I got 1 yesterday and posted because I missed your two posts here on pp 18.
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Please see Rockin Robbins' posts on pp 18, specifically post #'s: 263 & 270 for a good walk-through of how to proceed and what updates to delete if you like Windows 7.
Post # 264 may be of interest too.

All I can say is Wow!

This Microsoft sneaking Win 10 on to my computer was worse than I expected; 11 files (so far) and over 2,7126 MB deleted.

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Is there a site that lists all KB numbers that are spyware and nagware win10 for the last three years to present?
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For Win 7 users who were surprised to see the Win 10 'Upgrade now' nag icon reappear after Tuesday's monthly patch release, uninstall the KB3035583 update.

It took one hour and deleted 1,365 MB of the files that Microsoft had installed on my computer to prepare it for a quick transition.

I realize I am in the minority, however I like and want to stay with Win 7. I posted this in case there are other people who like their Windows 7 operating system.

Hope this is helpful information for someone.
Thanks, it is.
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The GWX program is a drone. On some computers it sits and does nothing. My wife's computer has not had a single pop-up about Windows 10. However, mine has gone bonkers. GWX communicates with the mother ship and receives instructions that activate its functions and then it does whatever Microsoft tells it to and when it tells it to. GWX is one sophisticated piece of malware.

But I'm here with some NEW news. And you wouldn't believe it if I said it (flame wars would result! "Rockin's off his rocker!!!"), so I didn't say it but Microsoft has admitted that a bug in Windows Update has led to some Windows 7 and 8.1 computers automatically starting the upgrade to Windows 10 without ever asking the user for permission.

The debacle continues. The only motivation for the craziness that makes ANY sense is that someone at Microsoft wants us to hate them. This is ineptitude on an unimaginable level. Legitimate profits are the result of people seeking out your product, voluntarily paying the price to purchase it and then with a big grin bragging to all their friends how great the purchase was.

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@aanker, thanks for the attaboy. With what I've had to say here and some of the reactions here I sometimes think that I'm not doing something worthwhile by sounding the alarm. Yeah, I read all those Chicken Little stories and didn't want to grow up to be him. But this is too real for me to be able to keep my mouth shut.

@Steed to the best of my knowledge there is no such site. The logical person to keep such a database, Mark Russonovich, was actually hired by Microsoft, and so won't be doing any such thing. I hope he's screaming his head off about their coercive tactics though and I bet he is.

Microsoft is really commiting suicide here. When you lose the trust of potential customers you lose your business. It takes years to build trust and you can lose all of it in a day. Walmart is a perfect example as its image is in a horrific downhill death spiral which will be nearly impossible to stop.

When the goal of a business ceases to be service to its customers and becomes the immediate bottom line by any means possible, that business is toast. Dollars are the product of service, not an end unto themselves.
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