US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

Then you didn't look very hard sport.

Google is not your friend or anyone elses but in this case the simple keywords "Biden" and "Keystone" were sufficient to bring up these:

Oh, I'm not questioning the cancelation of Keystone XL, but that 60.000 americans went home to their families today and said that they lost their jobs. The figure 60000 american jobs. can't find it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-is...it-11611240342


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-permit-460555


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/c...agreement.html


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...au-wrong-foot/

No sign of 60.000. Between you and me - it's not even a realistic figure. Corona killed 100k Jobs in that industry in a jear.
One of your articles is particularly interesting, as it states how China strives to become emmission-neutral in 2060 - re: Paris is dumb because china does not participate...

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

Not if he's going to go around giving orders to people. And BTW being a forum member has never been all that matters here or anywhere else.

I'm just someone interested in US politics. I had an entirely different question but then got caught up in the question how anyone could think your ex-president was anything but bad news and you should be happy that he's gone.
It's not my intention to order anyone to anywhere. If I had that intention and power, I think more of the ke-questions would have been answered.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Oh, I'm not questioning the cancelation of Keystone XL, but that 60.000 americans went home to their families today and said that they lost their jobs. The figure 60000 american jobs. can't find it.



No sign of 60.000. Between you and me - it's not even a realistic figure. Corona killed 100k Jobs in that industry in a jear.
One of your articles is particularly interesting, as it states how China strives to become emmission-neutral in 2060 - re: Paris is dumb because china does not participate...

Well I guess you can quibble over the numbers if you want but the fact remains he just shut down thousands of good paying jobs and those are on top of any other job losses.



But whatever, it was just an internet quote.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Melania Trump was a supermodel who designed fashion!!! And she’s hot!!!

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

Jill Biden has a doctorate and seems to actually like her husband.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by August

Well I guess you can quibble over the numbers if you want but the fact remains he just shut down thousands of good paying jobs and those are on top of any other job losses.

No, the fact does not remain, as it's not fact. not even "thousands" is a fact, as
Keystone XL waited for approval by the supreme court to be built anyways. Not a single construction worker lost his actual job because of that cancellation

But whatever, it was just an internet quote.

So it wasn't so bad a first day after all, huh?

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

While I think this belongs in a thread all it's own I applies here as well,

Why Chimpanzees Don’t Hold Elections: The Power of Social Reality



Most of your life takes place in a made-up world. You live in a country whose name and whose borders were made up by people. You allow particular humans to be leaders of that country, such as a president or a member of Congress, by following procedures invented by people long dead, such as elections, and you give them powers that were also made up by people. You acquire food and other goods with something called “money,” which is represented by pieces of paper and metal and even by electromagnetic waves flowing through the air, and which is also completely made up. You actively and willingly participate in this made-up world every day. It is real to you. It’s as real as your own name, which, by the way, was also made up by people.

The accompanying excerpt is adapted from “Seven and a Half Lessons About the Brain” by Lisa Feldman Barrett (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 192 pages).



We all live in a world of social reality that exists only inside our collective human brains. Nothing in physics or chemistry determines that you’re leaving the United States and entering Canada, or that an expanse of water has certain fishing rights, or that a specific arc of the Earth’s orbit around the sun is called January. These things are real to us anyway. Socially real.

https://undark.org/2021/01/01/book-e...=pocket-newtab

[bstanko6]

CHi....NA.... virus!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

While I think this belongs in a thread all it's own I applies here as well (https://undark.org/2021/01/01/book-excerpt-seven-and-a-half-lessons-about-the-brain/?utm_source=pocket-newtab)
We all live in a world of social reality that exists only inside our collective human brains. Nothing in physics or chemistry determines that you’re leaving the United States and entering Canada, or that an expanse of water has certain fishing rights, or that a specific arc of the Earth’s orbit around the sun is called January. These things are real to us anyway. Socially real.

This is it, it is all about human perception and an imagined social vision that is a made-up construction, and a screwed up one for anyone/thing else. As if squids created borders and passports to "cross" them. "Nations" are an entirely human brain concept, and thus equally ridiculous.

(B.t.w. since some Americans seem to have a problem with understanding or listening: Behaving "social" has nothing to do with "socialism", or "socialistic". E.g. the "Social-democratic party" in Germany is "social" and "democratic" inasfar as behaviour, social contacts, wellbeing and welfare have a priority, it is still very "capitalist"; equally the "Christian democratic Union" is basically a "social" party.
The meaning of "social" is a bit different in e.g. India or England, where it more relates to social classes being institutionalised, again a very human concept. One ape or group of apes is better that another, because of made-up reasons to justify being better off or at least different than others.
(Now England just missed the opportunity to become a member of the 20 planets union with brexit, so be it. I expect humans to be very astonished in a hundred years from now)

Is it a human's conscious decision to be born 200 meters left or right from an artificial "border", and then be "proud" and "patriotic" that this being was born at this place, and not 400 meters elsewhere? Oskar awards = one chimpanzee handing a stick to another, and the latter is sooo proud. Primate behaviour, where the word "primate" is already ridiculous.

[Jimbuna]

Donald Trump Jr attacking Biden less than 24 hours into his presidency – with misleading tweets https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...out&li=AAnZ9Ug

Biden removes Trump’s Diet Coke button from the White House https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...id=mailsignout

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

No, the fact does not remain, as it's not fact. not even "thousands" is a fact, as
Keystone XL waited for approval by the supreme court to be built anyways. Not a single construction worker lost his actual job because of that cancellation

From the actual union that will be effected by the cancelation of phase 4 of the Keystone XL project, The United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters.

https://uagetinvolved.org/content/ke...rican-families

So it wasn't so bad a first day after all, huh?

Guess that depends on who you are.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Sonicfire1981

Another question I had fits in nicely here: What's it with you and the fear of socialism? EU is definately not socialist but takes care of more people than in the US. EU citizens are healthier, live longer and are better educated. I'm just guessing, but I think you're not making 25Million a year without paying taxes... everything I've seen you condemn as socialist would benefit you. and your kids, greatly.
Where does this irrational fear of socialism come from?

Socialism is the antithesis of freedom, the core tenet that gave birth to the United States of America.

[Buddahaid]

Yes, freedom. Freedom to own property unchecked, freedom to create monopolies, freedom to starve, freedom to damage watersheds, freedom to pollute the environment, and freedom to own other people. These things are what freedom will create without some form of socialism in governance.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Yes, freedom. Freedom to own property unchecked, freedom to create monopolies, freedom to starve, freedom to damage watersheds, freedom to pollute the environment, and freedom to own other people. These things are what freedom will create without some form of socialism in governance.

Are those not the characteristics of the most notable repressive socialist regimes as well?

[skidman]

Originally Posted by MaDef

freedom, the core tenet that gave birth to the United States of America.

Oh, I've always thought it was a controversy about taxation and a war won with the help of the French.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by skidman

Oh, I've always thought it was a controversy about taxation and a war won with the help of the French.

Well from a technical point of view, it was about being free from oppresive taxation.

As to the French, well up until 1763 the American colonies were fighting a war against the French from New France with the help of the British army. And that is where the oppresive tax came in. The British crown wanted the American Colonies to help foot the bill for that war.

Funny how things work out.