Windows 8: Microsoft spent three years killing the Start menu ? - Page 4

HunterICX · 10-30-12, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaWolf U-57

But hey you can carry on burying your heads in the rubbish you read and quote

Rubbish eh...

I just ran Silent Hunter III + LSH v5 with the extra mods enabled
Load time 1 min +- 30 seconds
FPS in harbour with lots of shipping a solid 60 - 80 FPS
FPS open ocean 250 FPS

My Rig:
i5-2500K
8Gb ram
GTX560Ti 1 GB
Asus P8H77-V
Win 7 Ultimate 64bit

High Res mod enabled
AA 8x CSAA
AF 16x

So again Win 7 - Win 8 gaming performance
it ain't faster then 7.

whatever bothered your previous SH3 performance...is not due Win 7.

HunterICX

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-30-12, 09:27 AM

You really are being silly now aren't how can you possibly compare what you are running to what I am running when I said other mod then how do you know what other mods you would need to have the totally same set up as mine would you not. I even have a high resolution skin on my sub that eats fps.
I ran the two test with completely the same setup yours and mine cannot be as I have written most of the mods I am running and its all in High resolution.

Edit .. also I am not running the lighter version LSH3.5 I am running an earlier version which by the way I have also modded

Edit 2 also the chipsets of our machines are not the same you have a more graphics friendly machine

Edit3 ... Oh wow you have a full ATX form factor machine sorry did I not mention I am using a M-ATX well its one I just built you know keep the price down times are hard for some and this one they had to back out on so I am using it.

So really wasn't that a.. Rubbish comparison ??

Herr-Berbunch · 10-30-12, 10:32 AM

And that's not how the benchmarking people do it.

I still want to know what the amount of ram used by the benchmarking people has to do with it. At a guess, I'd say it would be 8 or 16 Gig - but that would be 8 or 16 Gig for win 7 and 8. The same amount. For both OSs.

I've just checked a couple of the sites, one did use 16 Gig, the other - 8.

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-30-12, 11:01 AM

ok well as you may already know 32bit machines always look to use up to 4Gbs spread out to certain areas of usage of ram unless told different.
Were as a 64bit machine will spread out the usage of ram up to a certain point.
So it maybe possible that windows 8 may or may not when optimizing the system usage assign more ram to certain areas of usage but as you say they were using more than 4Gbs then this should not come into it.
unless of coarse they didn't optimize the system to run ether 7 or 8 then the results would be dam near the same and totally useless.

Onkel Neal · 10-30-12, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaWolf U-57

All you have to do is select on button on the start menu to go to and use the old desktop view

I hope you're right, because I like my PC to feature a nice, crisp image without shortcuts. I use the Start button, I like it clean.

This, is seriously ugly. Looks like a throwback to Win3.1

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-31-12, 02:56 AM

Hi Neal ok then turn on your computer click the fancy lock screen which takes you to the password screen then up comes this screen.

Simply click the active desktop button will take you to this ..

And that is the screen I use you can toggle if you want to but I don't

Reading that report they say it is hard starting a program from the desktop ?? how hard is it to click a icon

HunterICX · 10-31-12, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I hope you're right, because I like my PC to feature a nice, crisp image without shortcuts. I use the Start button, I like it clean.

If you're a PC user that likes a clean desktop and a start button that isn't made out of Win 3.1 tiles there's Win7 for you.

because under the hood they're the same, Win 8 just has a GUI optimization for Touchscreen notebooks, Tablets and Smartphones and has ofcouse their needed features.

HunterICX

CCIP · 10-31-12, 05:33 AM

As far as performance in games...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3331.html

The verdict is that there is no noticeable performance difference whatsoever between Win 7 and Win 8.

Which to me reads: right now if you're looking to improve your gaming rig, you'd be wasting your time by switching to Win 8 just for that.

antikristuseke · 10-31-12, 06:16 AM

Oh gods Win 3.1 is back...

Onkel Neal · 10-31-12, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaWolf U-57

Hi Neal ok then turn on your computer click the fancy lock screen which takes you to the password screen then up comes this screen.

Simply click the active desktop button will take you to this ..

And that is the screen I use you can toggle if you want to but I don't

Reading that report they say it is hard starting a program from the desktop ?? how hard is it to click a icon

Cool, SW, thanks. So, a user can set Win8 to show the desktop like that with one time change, or do I have to do this each time I use the PC?

Guess I need to go down to good ol' Best Buy and gets some hands on.

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-31-12, 11:40 AM

Ah yes that start menu that's written in stone well no Windows 8 is how you want it ..

so do I need the icons on the desk top well no but I like them there

Edit sorry Neal didn't see you question ... well yes you do but as you see you can do things a little different if you want

Edit .. I left the power option in large version by mistake

Edit .... also you can access the start menu at any time by moving the Cursor down to the bottom left hand side of the Screen to toggle between them

Wow yes before anyone says it you can also place the view folders icon here as well

Just thinking I wonder if old Tom or Don who did the bench mark testing remembered to disable the default active apps on the start screen before running the test or else I see a unfair advantage looming its head.

10-31-12, 03:53 PM

Here's me trying to get Windows98 working again so I can run some old apps. I used to be uncertain, now I'm no longer sure.

I never even got the hang of life, never mind Windows 8 or 98 . Tomorrow starts a new, I will do my best to get through that first before anything else.

SeaWolf U-57 · 10-31-12, 05:11 PM

After all said and done it will boil down to this. if you want to try something new and different from what you are use to then try Windows 8 with the apps.
but if you have a android smart phone and the newness of it has worn off then you will like Widows 8 something like what I am using no apps and back to the desktop.
This operating System allows you to swap back and forth if you wish or even return to Windows 7 although my opinion is to be true that most people will not even notice any difference between the two so returning to Windows 7 would be a waste of time.
And others will say the whole thing is a waist of space but haven't we heard this all before you know Vista, 7 and now 8. XP was also my favourite of all of them but I had to move with the new releases to try and help other people with there computer problems and now I supply systems to them.
So complaining about something you are not even going to use well what's the point but using something new and learning about it and passing that knowledge on well.

And I cant wait to see just what is produced to add to this version

SeaWolf U-57 · 11-01-12, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Rubbish eh...

I just ran Silent Hunter III + LSH v5 with the extra mods enabled
Load time 1 min +- 30 seconds
FPS in harbour with lots of shipping a solid 60 - 80 FPS
FPS open ocean 250 FPS

My Rig:
i5-2500K
8Gb ram
GTX560Ti 1 GB
Asus P8H77-V
Win 7 Ultimate 64bit

High Res mod enabled
AA 8x CSAA
AF 16x

So again Win 7 - Win 8 gaming performance
it ain't faster then 7.

whatever bothered your previous SH3 performance...is not due Win 7.

HunterICX

Those are dam good speeds by any standard with the set-up running that's not all that surprising although saying that the start of game loading time should not have been a full 30secs different.
Unless one rigs is using a standard harddrive to run the game from (mine) and the other a 6Gbs direct SSD drive.
lets replace my Drive with a 6Gbs SSD drive and install the game Ok note these times here are from the point where you press start mission First test Standard/Stock SH III .... 17seconds.
Ok now with SH III + LSH3 5.1 also running ..... 1min 20 seconds.
So there you are a SSD drive is quite a bit faster loading and starting SH3.

HunterICX · 11-01-12, 08:13 AM

You'll be suprised.

Quote:

Western Digital 1TB Caviar Green Hard Drive.

Model: WD10EZRX-00A8LB0

64MB Cache. SATA

the greens from WD are the Cool, quiet, eco-friendly ones.

on Stock SH3 launches within 20 Seconds from Career menu into the Game.

HunterICX

10-30-12, 09:27 AM	#47
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	You really are being silly now aren't how can you possibly compare what you are running to what I am running when I said other mod then how do you know what other mods you would need to have the totally same set up as mine would you not. I even have a high resolution skin on my sub that eats fps. I ran the two test with completely the same setup yours and mine cannot be as I have written most of the mods I am running and its all in High resolution. Edit .. also I am not running the lighter version LSH3.5 I am running an earlier version which by the way I have also modded Edit 2 also the chipsets of our machines are not the same you have a more graphics friendly machine Edit3 ... Oh wow you have a full ATX form factor machine sorry did I not mention I am using a M-ATX well its one I just built you know keep the price down times are hard for some and this one they had to back out on so I am using it. So really wasn't that a.. Rubbish comparison ?? Last edited by SeaWolf U-57; 10-30-12 at 09:54 AM.

10-30-12, 10:32 AM	#48
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	And that's not how the benchmarking people do it. I still want to know what the amount of ram used by the benchmarking people has to do with it. At a guess, I'd say it would be 8 or 16 Gig - but that would be 8 or 16 Gig for win 7 and 8. The same amount. For both OSs. I've just checked a couple of the sites, one did use 16 Gig, the other - 8. __________________

10-31-12, 02:56 AM	#51
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Hi Neal ok then turn on your computer click the fancy lock screen which takes you to the password screen then up comes this screen. Simply click the active desktop button will take you to this .. And that is the screen I use you can toggle if you want to but I don't Reading that report they say it is hard starting a program from the desktop ?? how hard is it to click a icon Last edited by SeaWolf U-57; 11-01-12 at 05:27 AM.

10-31-12, 05:33 AM	#53
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	As far as performance in games... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ance,3331.html The verdict is that there is no noticeable performance difference whatsoever between Win 7 and Win 8. Which to me reads: right now if you're looking to improve your gaming rig, you'd be wasting your time by switching to Win 8 just for that. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

10-31-12, 11:40 AM	#56
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Ah yes that start menu that's written in stone well no Windows 8 is how you want it .. so do I need the icons on the desk top well no but I like them there Edit sorry Neal didn't see you question ... well yes you do but as you see you can do things a little different if you want Edit .. I left the power option in large version by mistake Edit .... also you can access the start menu at any time by moving the Cursor down to the bottom left hand side of the Screen to toggle between them Wow yes before anyone says it you can also place the view folders icon here as well Just thinking I wonder if old Tom or Don who did the bench mark testing remembered to disable the default active apps on the start screen before running the test or else I see a unfair advantage looming its head. Last edited by SeaWolf U-57; 11-01-12 at 05:27 AM.

10-30-12, 11:01 AM	#49
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	ok well as you may already know 32bit machines always look to use up to 4Gbs spread out to certain areas of usage of ram unless told different. Were as a 64bit machine will spread out the usage of ram up to a certain point. So it maybe possible that windows 8 may or may not when optimizing the system usage assign more ram to certain areas of usage but as you say they were using more than 4Gbs then this should not come into it. unless of coarse they didn't optimize the system to run ether 7 or 8 then the results would be dam near the same and totally useless.

10-31-12, 06:16 AM	#54
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Oh gods Win 3.1 is back...

10-31-12, 03:53 PM	#57
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Here's me trying to get Windows98 working again so I can run some old apps. I used to be uncertain, now I'm no longer sure. I never even got the hang of life, never mind Windows 8 or 98 . Tomorrow starts a new, I will do my best to get through that first before anything else.

10-31-12, 05:11 PM	#58
SeaWolf U-57 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,231 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	After all said and done it will boil down to this. if you want to try something new and different from what you are use to then try Windows 8 with the apps. but if you have a android smart phone and the newness of it has worn off then you will like Widows 8 something like what I am using no apps and back to the desktop. This operating System allows you to swap back and forth if you wish or even return to Windows 7 although my opinion is to be true that most people will not even notice any difference between the two so returning to Windows 7 would be a waste of time. And others will say the whole thing is a waist of space but haven't we heard this all before you know Vista, 7 and now 8. XP was also my favourite of all of them but I had to move with the new releases to try and help other people with there computer problems and now I supply systems to them. So complaining about something you are not even going to use well what's the point but using something new and learning about it and passing that knowledge on well. And I cant wait to see just what is produced to add to this version Last edited by SeaWolf U-57; 10-31-12 at 05:23 PM.