SUBSIM Radio Room Forums


SUBSIM: The Web's #1 BBS for all submarine and naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > Silent Hunter 3 - 4 - 5 > Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-25-2019, 12:08 PM   #1
YellowFin
Planesman
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 189
Downloads: 35
Uploads: 0
Default WWII Pacific Submarine Warfare Reality

I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.
YellowFin is online   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2019, 04:23 PM   #2
cdrsubron7
Sink'em All
 
cdrsubron7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Carol Stream, IL
Posts: 2,354
Downloads: 291
Uploads: 1


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YellowFin View Post
I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.

Nice find, Yellowfin. I've bookmarked it for future study.
__________________



Head Deep and Keep'em Astern" - LtCDR Samuel D Dealy
SHIV Guide | Imperial Japanese Navy | US Submarines



cdrsubron7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2019, 05:12 PM   #3
propbeanie
CTD - it's not just a job
 
propbeanie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: The Crossroads of Mid-America
Posts: 5,126
Downloads: 277
Uploads: 1


Default

The link for the Patrol Reports on their site uses a better reader app than the ones from the Pampanito's site. I found the link for those a few months ago on the HNSA site, but your link has more cool links on it, which is a very nice, useable find! Thank you!
__________________

"...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna
propbeanie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2019, 07:21 PM   #4
YellowFin
Planesman
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 189
Downloads: 35
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by propbeanie View Post
The link for the Patrol Reports on their site uses a better reader app than the ones from the Pampanito's site. I found the link for those a few months ago on the HNSA site, but your link has more cool links on it, which is a very nice, useable find! Thank you!
Unfortunately I only found "rip offs", where they wanted you to subscribe to an app for 9 dollars a month or where a museum bragged about having gotten a DVD full of these reports, but not actually sharing them. I almost felt like on christmas eve when I found the HNSA repository.

As far as I understand these documents were made available under the FOIA and are a public good, at least for US tax payers. As a non US taxpayer I can only promise to fight for my country to make its historically valuable documents publicly available as well.
YellowFin is online   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2019, 08:47 PM   #5
propbeanie
CTD - it's not just a job
 
propbeanie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: The Crossroads of Mid-America
Posts: 5,126
Downloads: 277
Uploads: 1


Default

Those "pop-ups" from the Pampanito site are just that, pop-ups. The vendor hopes that you'll think you have to subscribe, but you don't. You just click on the background, or on the close button (which has very little contrast), and get to browsing through the file. A little while later, that same pop-up will show up, but again, just go around it. However, if you're looking at the page, and can't see the text - let's say they've used the same carbon paper for twenty-two pages now, and the text is getting really weak, and you wonder, "Is that 'Roi-Nor', or 'Bot-Mon'???"... so you hit the "zoom" button, or full-screen, or any one of a number of page definition changes, and that shtinking reader takes you back to page one of the file... Not cool if you're on Patrol 10.

The HNSA site vendor has a better implementation, and is the one I go to for my research (usually). They both seem to have slight differences in the files, which I don't understand, since they're from microfiche copies of the reports, and while some are out of sequence (pages stuck to each other or whatever) from the scanning process, I don't understand how the one vendor is missing two pages in theirs, while the other isn't... ?? Oh well. The HNSA version is much easier to use.
__________________

"...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna
propbeanie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2019, 11:26 PM   #6
Webster
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 6,284
Downloads: 259
Uploads: 55


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YellowFin View Post
I'm pretty sure it's already posted somewhere, but just to make sure everyone knows about this:

https://www.hnsa.org/manuals-documents/

At the bottom of the page, under a wealth of other tactical and technical information you can find all submarine war patrol reports of US WWII submarines.

Other sites make you pay, this one offers it for everyone to read at no cost.

These war patrol reports are the equivalent of the Kriegstagebücher for German WWII submarines. They offer a lot of insight into the tactics, challenges (there were many) and psychology of the crew and officers involved.
you seem to be a realism buff so i wanted to mention something we all learn when trying to get more realism through mods.

the game files are a hodge podge of files that work and dont work, some will give the desired changes in game when you change values and some do nothing at all clearly indicating some files arent even being used for what they are named for.

just keep in mind its very very frustrating as you find some things just cant or wont let you make the changes that you want to fix some unrealistic stuff in the game. most of my modding endeavors were striving for realism in one form or the other and its very frustrating to say the least so i wanted you to be aware of that as you start modding the game
__________________
.
My Mods.~~/~~ (GFO) Game Fixes Only Mod.~~/~~ Mod Soup Fix
Webster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2019 Subsim