AUKUS - Page 9

Exocet25fr · 10-02-21, 12:27 PM

"China is sending a political message to the US and UK on her national day: Don't mess around in my area."

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...r-defence-zone

mapuc · 10-02-21, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

"China is sending a political message to the US and UK on her national day: Don't mess around in my area."

https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...r-defence-zone

Do they mean, the area they have no right to demand

Markus

Jimbuna · 10-02-21, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Do they mean, the area they have no right to demand

Markus

Most probably

Gorpet · 10-03-21, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

No moderator intervention was involved, I presume you were simply 'timed out'

Ok Jim, tks can't set on a butt and get a keyboard with letters that match your fingers.

Buddahaid · 10-15-21, 03:00 AM

In depth analysis.

Exocet25fr · 10-15-21, 06:15 AM

AUKUS To Rafale To Nuclear Submarines? France & India Are Perfectly Placed To Forge A Nuke Sub Deal

Otto Harkaman · 10-15-21, 06:45 AM

^ very interesting (AUKUS and the Nuclear Option: the Life and Death of the Attack Class Submarine), I have only gotten to half way in the video and need to take a break to watch the rest.

Kapitan · 10-18-21, 07:48 AM

Wouldn’t be a bad thing to see india and France forge ahead with a joint SSN program
They have better chance with the French than they do with the US in handling that technology

India already has its own SSN and SSBN programs but this could help them out a lot and be cheaper too

Kapitan · 10-21-21, 10:30 AM

On another note would anyone want to see Canada involved in an AUKUS or for them to join the current treaty?

Cybermat47 · 10-21-21, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Your last sentence, do you mean this military deal indicates a move away from coal-based power production in civilian industry, too?

Unlikely with our present Prime Minister. Man has a fetish for coal.

I would try to tell him that global warming is making it a lot harder on us firefighters, but he’s too busy vacationing in Hawaii when the nation is on fire.

Skybird · 12-10-21, 02:06 PM

Australia has decided to abandon 48 European-made Taipan helicopters that it already operates, but is not satisfied with,l the machiens are said to be extremely unreliable and having logged only 50-55% of those flight hours that were planned for them, that high is the rate of tecnical down times for these (new!) helicopters that are licensed by Airbus.

Australia wants to buy 40 Blackhawks instead, saying these are proven, more reliable, and in the long run thus much more cost-efficient than the European helicopters. Critics say the cancelled submarine deal with France also freed funds in the short term that now must be reallocated.

I think it should be clear by now that Australia clearly prioritizes the US over Europe as a partner for the conflict with China. I cannot criticise them for this attitude. If I were Australia, I would not place my money on Europe, too.

Kapitan · 12-10-21, 02:14 PM

I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

Skybird · 12-10-21, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch

The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited

When I think of European defence projects, a proverb is on my mind: too many chefs spoil the broth.

Exocet25fr · 12-10-21, 05:25 PM

Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner !

We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons!

Skybird · 12-10-21, 07:43 PM

And I trust no nation at all. As one of your great leaders put it: "States have no friends - states have interests." That includes France. Macronman has understood that.

But I fear Berlin has not. Or wants not. The new government clearly pushes for a European federal state replacing the EU. National self-dissolving, that is what they want. That way the Germans could finally get rid of what they dispise most: Germany. I did not get the impression that this was welcomed yesterday: neither in Paris nor in Warsaw, and most others will be against it as well. Different to the Germans, people in many other countries still feel their historically grown national identiies. Maybe sometimes still wallowing in echoes of glory of a past that does not reach into contemporary present conditions anymore. And still, it is a strong drive in many people. Especially the French (s I see them).

And the Brits (as I see them). Probably also the Spaniards (as I see them). Certainly the Poles (as I see them).

Powerpolitics in Paris and Warsaw, unlimited idealism in Berlin. A toxic constellation that is - for Germany.

10-02-21, 12:27 PM	#121
Exocet25fr Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 760 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	"China is sending a political message to the US and UK on her national day: Don't mess around in my area." https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pac...r-defence-zone __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

10-15-21, 03:00 AM	#125
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,551 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	In depth analysis. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-15-21, 06:15 AM	#126
Exocet25fr Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 760 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	AUKUS To Rafale To Nuclear Submarines? France & India Are Perfectly Placed To Forge A Nuke Sub Deal __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

10-15-21, 06:45 AM	#127
Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 912 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	^ very interesting (AUKUS and the Nuclear Option: the Life and Death of the Attack Class Submarine), I have only gotten to half way in the video and need to take a break to watch the rest. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 10-15-21 at 07:26 AM.

10-18-21, 07:48 AM	#128
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	Wouldn’t be a bad thing to see india and France forge ahead with a joint SSN program They have better chance with the French than they do with the US in handling that technology India already has its own SSN and SSBN programs but this could help them out a lot and be cheaper too __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

10-21-21, 10:30 AM	#129
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	On another note would anyone want to see Canada involved in an AUKUS or for them to join the current treaty? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-10-21, 02:06 PM	#131
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,457 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Australia has decided to abandon 48 European-made Taipan helicopters that it already operates, but is not satisfied with,l the machiens are said to be extremely unreliable and having logged only 50-55% of those flight hours that were planned for them, that high is the rate of tecnical down times for these (new!) helicopters that are licensed by Airbus. Australia wants to buy 40 Blackhawks instead, saying these are proven, more reliable, and in the long run thus much more cost-efficient than the European helicopters. Critics say the cancelled submarine deal with France also freed funds in the short term that now must be reallocated. I think it should be clear by now that Australia clearly prioritizes the US over Europe as a partner for the conflict with China. I cannot criticise them for this attitude. If I were Australia, I would not place my money on Europe, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-10-21, 02:14 PM	#132
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,090 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 7	I’m loathed to admit this but I also would y put my money with the European Union it seems they have no back bone what so ever with the exception of the Dutch The UK I think will be steadfast and support Australia but logistically the USA is a much better logistically suited __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-10-21, 05:25 PM	#134
Exocet25fr Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 760 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	Be care !, Many of French people and me clearly prioritizes the USSR over AUKUS as a partner ! We don't trust any more with Anglo-saxons! __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

12-10-21, 07:43 PM	#135
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,457 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	And I trust no nation at all. As one of your great leaders put it: "States have no friends - states have interests." That includes France. Macronman has understood that. But I fear Berlin has not. Or wants not. The new government clearly pushes for a European federal state replacing the EU. National self-dissolving, that is what they want. That way the Germans could finally get rid of what they dispise most: Germany. I did not get the impression that this was welcomed yesterday: neither in Paris nor in Warsaw, and most others will be against it as well. Different to the Germans, people in many other countries still feel their historically grown national identiies. Maybe sometimes still wallowing in echoes of glory of a past that does not reach into contemporary present conditions anymore. And still, it is a strong drive in many people. Especially the French (s I see them). And the Brits (as I see them). Probably also the Spaniards (as I see them). Certainly the Poles (as I see them). Powerpolitics in Paris and Warsaw, unlimited idealism in Berlin. A toxic constellation that is - for Germany. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.