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Old 03-18-23, 11:37 AM   #16
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And forget the term "old man diabetes", that is nonsense. We have a pandemic in diabetes in young adults in all the world where Western food habits have taken the regime. [/B]
You're right about that one

My wife brought home some colas for me to try (I usually drink sugar free soda)... read the label and about crapped my pants

serving size, one can... 101% of the recommended daily allowance for sugar

i thought - man if you had one with lunch and one with dinner, you have had a TON of sugar. needless to say i rationed them out about a quarter bottle at a time over the course of a few weeks. but still. many dont read those labels. or they overlook them entirely. before you know it you have had a Month's worth of sugar in a matter of 4 days

and fast food burgers especially, the buns... its like meat between two slices of cake
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This is an excerpt from a 90 minutes speech.

You can activate subtitles and then switch on English bot translation, because it is in German.

I like this ma, becasue he has a classical medical background, has a sense for hunmour, and his speeches are very entertaining. Time flies when listening to him. He was a radiologist and as such head of diagnostics in the municipal clinics in I think Wiesbaden, and also founded a diagnostics institute. After his retirement (!) he additionally made his specialist degree for preventive medicine, and afterwards another one for nutritional medicine. Since then he has been touring with lectures, and founded a communication network, in which he brings specialists from different disciplines together, and these together with the lay public. - So he knows both sides of the medical business: the classical orthodox medicine, for which he sometimes apologizes today, and the new, alternative ways of looking at things. Better it does not get: when you get the best of BOTH worlds.


On carbohydrates and sugar:




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I just realised that the bot-translation is not good, because the old man mumbles too often. Sorry, guys! But Markus understands a bit of German.
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You're right about that one

My wife brought home some colas for me to try (I usually drink sugar free soda)... read the label and about crapped my pants

serving size, one can... 101% of the recommended daily allowance for sugar

i thought - man if you had one with lunch and one with dinner, you have had a TON of sugar. needless to say i rationed them out about a quarter bottle at a time over the course of a few weeks. but still. many dont read those labels. or they overlook them entirely. before you know it you have had a Month's worth of sugar in a matter of 4 days

and fast food burgers especially, the buns... its like meat between two slices of cake
Dats why Rasta drink only DG Genuine Jamaican SOF Drink KOLA. 88% dv sugar per 12 oz serving, ya mon.

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Old 03-25-23, 02:10 AM   #19
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I was diagnosed Type 2 over ten year ago and honestly this should not and need not be a big deal. Take the sensible steps you will receive from your medical practitioner and everything should be okay.

I take two tablets a day and all is well.

Now Type 1 is a totally different ball gam. My friend Sailor Steve was Type 1 and some of the stories he shared with me were quite concerning but still controllable as long as the medical advice was adhered to.
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You're right about that one

My wife brought home some colas for me to try (I usually drink sugar free soda)... read the label and about crapped my pants

serving size, one can... 101% of the recommended daily allowance for sugar

i thought - man if you had one with lunch and one with dinner, you have had a TON of sugar. needless to say i rationed them out about a quarter bottle at a time over the course of a few weeks. but still. many dont read those labels. or they overlook them entirely. before you know it you have had a Month's worth of sugar in a matter of 4 days

and fast food burgers especially, the buns... its like meat between two slices of cake

Whoa, how did I not see this? Everything that Sky said! Try and go low carb or keto as much as possible! I've been T1 for 40+ years. Frankly, I'm not sure, why i'm still alive? I'm essentially a T2 now, because my insulin to carb ration is really low! If I go full keto, I don't have to take any extra insulin, my pump can handle it! Stay the hell away from rice! That f-s up my blood sugar like nothing else!

1. Don't get discouraged!
2. Find a diet you can live with.
3. See your doctor as often as possible, meet with a diabetes educator. (By doctor, I mean a diabetes doc, NOT a general doc) General is better than nothing, IF there's no diabetes doc around.
4. Get a blood glucose monitor that goes in your arm or stomach, or wherever. If you can afford it, I currently use the Dexcom 6 (it works with my pump), but something along those lines. CGM-continuous glucose monitor.





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Yesterday I had a blood test - Today I got the sad message from my doctor - Markus you have diabetes
This surprised me as I did not have the most usual symptoms. I am overweight. And it is hereditary. My mother and one of my younger sisters have too this can be the only reason I got it.
diabetes 2 This type of diabetes is also called old man's diabetes

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my doc wanted me to stop at all pop even diet or sugar free,you also got to watch the milk products way the doc talks even smoking brings up the blood sugar
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my doc wanted me to stop at all pop even diet or sugar free,you also got to watch the milk products way the doc talks even smoking brings up the blood sugar



Not sure how much soda you drink but the results of quitting can be pretty dramatic. I was drinking maybe one a day and when I stopped I dropped over 25lbs from that alone.
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Not sure how much soda you drink but the results of quitting can be pretty dramatic. I was drinking maybe one a day and when I stopped I dropped over 25lbs from that alone.
i drink a 2 litre sometime once a week sometimes goes a couple of weeks between
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i drink a 2 litre sometime once a week sometimes goes a couple of weeks between



If your experience is anything like mine you will notice a difference then.
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If your experience is anything like mine you will notice a difference then.
I drink 3-4 33 cl Coca Cola each week, and around 3 sometimes 4 cup of coffee per day and I drink water for the rest..this depends sometimes I'm below 1 Litre of water and sometime, here I'm thinking Summer, I drink several Litre of water.

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Weight fluctuations due to fluctuations in water balance should not be confused with weight loss effects. The weight may fluctuate from one day to the next by say 1-3 pounds, but this is not weight loss due to reduction in adipose tissue. It is only daily fluctuations.

If there are no metabolic diseases or kidney disorders, and there are no needs to flush out waste products from certain medications taken, there is no need to drink "on schedule". In the very young and the very old, the feeling of thirst may not be reliable as an indicator of the need to drink - here it may be advisable to drink according to a schedule, or have somebody watching over the kids and old. The recommendation to drink 2.5 litres daily is derived from a vague estimate from the times of the Second World War, so it is not really scientifically based. The 2.5 litres often quoted also includes the amount of liquid that the eaten food of the day contains, and that can be a considerable amount! Many people with no further health problems will, if they are not excessively fat and of above-average height and live in moderate temperates, manage with around 1.5 liters of drunk water, ll drinsk added up. And who feels more thirst, herrje, then drink even more, if you are happy then! Only, to force oneself to drink, because a plan wants it so, without that there is a by illness caused reason, that is really quite stupid! What do you think, how people have survived for tens of thousands of years - mostly in nutritional deficiencies...? Our bodies are made for enduring long times of water and food deficits, our kidneys are not there for no reason, and again-and-again recycling of body fluids by the kidneys is not being done and has not developed for no reason. Of course, this process cannot be endlessly repeated, you have to drink and you have to pee at some time. But that we suffer the fall of heaven if we forget to drink every second hour or such stories - that is blatant nonsense. I could laugh my head off, someone gets up, drinks something for breakfast, goes to the bus stop in front of the house, gets on the bus, and as soon as he sits down, he takes out the water bottle with the water as if he just came back from a tour in the desert. They carry their bottles everywhere, like a smartphone, in the office, while walking, shopping, to the cinema... Man, have a little more confidence in your bodies, so completely wrong our evolution has not gone!

The food industry is happy. They are behind it with expensive advertising campaigns to make people believe that they have to drink water all day long, at every opportunity (just like people should eat three meals a day, and four portions of fruit, and muesli, and five different vegetables, and don't forget all the snacks in between, and plenty of fibres, and plenty of cereals...). Of course, this water has to be bought, because not all water is the same, there are all kinds of waters-plus, waters that are just more water than just water, and that costs, and the cash register rings. I have already heard from two doctors that they have more patients who have problems from drinking too much than drinking too little, keyword is flushing out electrolytes and mineral salts.

Only, Markus, Coke and other pops / sweet fizzy drinks you should really deny yourself, without exception. Take the 0.5 liter bottle Coke in the hand, and then imagine that you dissolve 17-20 sugar cubes in it. Yes, that's what it looks like! The bottle half full with sugar cubes. You can easily poke out your eyes with at the insulin spike, so high and pointed it is. That of lite drinks with sweeteners is hardly less excessive. There are even sweeteners that have more calories and cause higher insulin than sugar!

By the way, the same applies to tomato ketchups and BBQ sauces: sugar without end. I like Heinz curry ketchup. But I avoid it now. Its one of the worst offenders. Most, if not all of these kinds of industry sauces are.

If that's still not enough, I'd recommend reading up on the phosphoric acid contained in cola and what it does to the body's nutrient balance and bones: osteoporosis as a possible end result is still in the category of the more harmless side effects. Go figure. Its nasty stuff.

I'll make it short: sweet industrial lemonades of any kind should be avoided, and for diabetics: always. Period. I like cola, yes. But I've thrown it out. And see, life goes on anyway.

If you are in need for something sweet, eat somethign salty instead. It satisfies the neural structure in your brain that makes you craving for sweet taste, its one and the same neural structure. A thick grain of sea salt works wonder. Much better than taking a candy! And harmless, completely. There is no reason - but many lies told - to want saving salt.
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Funny you mentioned this plan on drinking 2½ liters of water per day.

Some years ago I said to my doctor-It is said that I should drink around 2-2½ liters of water, but I have difficulty to even drink a liter a day.

Then she said

But you do drink water when thirsty

Me:
Of course I drink to the point where I'm not thirsty anymore. There's a difference between winter and summer. During Summer and hot weather I can drink up to 3-4 liters per day.

Then she said

Well then everything is ok-These 2½ liter water per day is an average of what an active ground-up should drink per day.
(Taken from memory, so I can have missed some words)

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Plenty of water in the beer I drink
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Drinking? Hehe, a tale from my own life.

I'm 56. I did sports, martila arts, was trained in unarmed self defence, Wing Tsun, opportunistic stuff. Swords, archery. Almost professionally, for short time I even was trainer, until an accident. I was always thin until the past 5, 6 years. I was physiclaly nevertheless fit. I was trained in my youth in meditation. I was aölmost "Karate Kid", my mentor, an orchestra colleguae of my ftaher, even was Japanese.

Now. Since school, my heart rate at rest (AT REST!!) was around 105, 110, 115, in that range. Others have that when they do sport, do warm up! Strangely - no doctor ever cared for that! The onyl one who ever ntoice dit, was my sport steahcer at school, who often send me for an extra lap of walking to "calm down".

When i did my long bike tours all day long, I sweat. Better,m I drowned the land in my sweat, you cannot imagine how mucz I sweat. I had to carry 3-4 bottles (1 litre each) with me, and still buy some during the tour, when there was opportunity. And when I was back home, I drank on, 2 liters more. Sick? Yes, sick. Sick for sure. When I were on my journeys to North Africa and the ME, it was a real problem. The heat was killing me. And I needed to drink, you cannot imagine how much I drank. And that stuff did not copme just form nowhere, I had to prepare, think ahead, carry it, buy it - it weas a prblem. And I collapsed three times. At healthy weight, and physically fit.

When I was put on drigs against bhghi blood pressure in 2008, the doc still did not care for te high heart rate of mine, onyl cautioned me not to take too much salt.

I never saved on salt, it sounded stupid to me, due to my sweating, but I also did not take it excessively. I never thought about it, so I just took the "ordinary ammount", according to taste and appetite.

Well, aroudn the b eginning of Corona, i started to boost my consummation of salt, and drmaatically. I booste dit upwards from around 3gr per day to 8, 9 gr, if not more. It was as if I had flipped a switch. The forst huge intake aroudn noontome - and in the late afternoon my heart rate at rest was down to low 70s, high 60s. From 110+. Wowh! Just wowh! Within hours.

And when I do the same bike tours now, I get along, even on summerdays, with one bottle of water, not even a full litre. And often i do not need it in full. I must not change clothes when I am at the top of a certain hill I must pass over every time (I swet so excessively before that I was "pitschnass", really had to change clothes, completely, evertyhing - and then again when I drove back home, I was dripping from my clothes with sweat).

What a difference a healthy dose of salt makes! Drinking much less. Sweating much less. You now ma yunderstand why I say: people, for heavens sake stop believing them fools and eat more - not less - salt. It was as if my body told me: okay, you have drunk all that stuff, but you drank the wrong stuff without salt in it. Keep on drinking, maybe you finally realise what you are doing, and you start to add much more salt to your drinks. Idiot!

How does it work? The salt content in the blood is an extremely important variable, the body monitors it very closely and keeps it within narrow toleance limits. Now, if the salt level in the blood decreases ("eat less salt!"), the body tries to increase the salt level again by reducing the blood volume: the salt then present is distributed in less blood, and thus the salt level increases. However, the blood is more viscous and less fluid, and at the same time the extracted fluid has entered the cells of the surrounding tissues, which are now bulging and thus press on the blood vessels. This is called periheral vascular resistance. This increases, and so the heart has to work harder: it has to work harder and beat more frequently: the heart rate goes up. If one eats salt, the game is reversed: to reduce the amount of salt in the blood, the body dilutes the blood volume with fluid from the surrounding tissue layers, which then relax and exert less pressure on the veins. The blood becomes more fluid again and in the dilated vessels the peripheral vascular resistance decreases: the heart can do its work with less effort and reduce its beat rate. - It is hard to imagine how many millions of people have died prematurely in the last hundred years because of medical advice to cut down on salt!

Higher intake of Sodium nevertheless needs to be processed accordingly, and for that it needs sufficient water, so the more salt you tend to take, the more you should drink by tendency. And your body tells you that: you get the thirstier the more salt you consume. Life can be so simple. Even without TV commercials telling you nonsense.

For almost 40 years no doctor cared for my heart rate - and told me to be careful with my salt! Not a reason to trust them blindly, I would say.

The man I owe to, is Dr. James DiNicolantonio, he finally seated me on the right horse. Maybe, in the future, he saved my life from a too early death, who knows.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Salt-Fix-Ex...ps%2C82&sr=8-1



And this video gives you a quick answer, Markus, to why I ride this horse named "SALT" so extensively when I started to answer to your thoughts on drinking. If you opt for ketonegic diet or low-carb diet for yourself due to your diagnosis, you likely will lose salt, and more than you imagine. The doc explains it and tells why it matters additionally to what I said.






I close with this: do not waste your time when reading food's ingredients lists with the salt content. You must not. Sugar is your problem, bad versus good fat is your problem, allergens and inflammatory omega 6 unsaturated fatty acids are a problem (no, unsaturated fats are not automatically better than saturated fats, and they also are not all good only becasue they are unsaturated - the right balance is what makes the cure - or the poison...) . Salt is no problem. Never was. In a healthy person: never will be. Consumming even large quantities of salt is safe and healthy - if only you also drink enough then. Salt has no systematic link to blood pressure, as often is claimed, that is a modern medicine myth that many doctors still fall for. Most people are salt-resisting, do not react at all with blood pressure changes to changing ammounts of salt consumed. And we know from history, that our ancestors in Europe and North america , due to the absence of refrigerators, consummed 80, 100, 120, 140 - in some areas up to 200 grams of salt - per day!


Think of it: Our body may send us signals of thirst - not only when it needs fluids - but also when it NEEDS SALT!
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Tis funny you should mention salt intake because I've never added salt to a meal (other than what is already in its contents) for about three decades and I can honestly state I don't miss it.
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