Saudi oil fields on fire, but who did it?

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ies/ar-AAHk2cp

Iran on Sunday rejected U.S. accusations it was responsible for devastating attacks on two oil installations in Saudi Arabia that struck at the heart of the kingdom’s oil industry and forced Aramco, the state oil company, to suspend its production output by half.

A rebel group in Yemen, known as the Houthis, had claimed responsibility for Saturday’s attacks, saying that it had sent a fleet of attack drones toward the two oil facilities in eastern Saudi Arabia. Hours later, though, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, in a Twitter message, directly blamed Iran for what he said was “an unprecedented attack on the world’s energy supply” and said there was “no evidence the attacks came from Yemen” — leading to speculation they had been launched directly from Iran, or on Tehran’s behalf, by allies in Iraq.

The U.S. government believes 15 structures at Abqaiq were damaged on the west-northwest-facing sides — not the southern facades, as would be expected if the attack came from Yemen.

Khurais is one of Saudi Arabia’s largest oil fields and is believed to produce about 1.5 million barrels per day. Abqaiq is the site of the kingdom’s largest oil processing facility, operated by Aramco. It may be the world’s most important piece of oil infrastructure, built to process about 7 million barrels a day of oil so that it can be shipped out of the Persian Gulf to foreign markets.

[moose1am]

What should the Saudi's to stop these type of attacks in the future? And should Saudi Arabia attack Iran to retaliate for this attack on the Saudi Oil Fields and production facilities?

What should Trump do?

[August]

My best guess is the militant wing of the Salvation Army.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by moose1am

What should the Saudi's to stop these type of attacks in the future? And should Saudi Arabia attack Iran to retaliate for this attack on the Saudi Oil Fields and production facilities?

What should Trump do?

Iran and the Houthi are the same side. Which makes it unnecessary to discriminate between the two in target selection.



Of course, since this is an ongoing war, retaliation is mandatory - plus "x". The alternative is to accept defeat. I am not in knowlerdge of what the Saudi military is capable of, however, but honestly I do not expect too muchg, even if thy buy modern US weaponry like crazy - I still have on mind Gen. Frank's description of how they played "training" like little boys in '90/'91 when they got those new M1s.



Maybe they want to side up with Israel if they consider to strike Iran. Better for them it would be, no doubt. The allied UAE's fighting competence does not seem to have cut it.



Whats the legal situation in miltiary treaties between the US and SA? Is there a legal obligation of the US from some treaty of SA gets attacked directly by a foreiogn power? Formally the Houthi could not count for that since formally SA started the war, but Iran would be a different thing, I think.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

My best guess is the militant wing of the Salvation Army.

3-pointer.

[mapuc]

My thoughts on this:

Was it Iran who directly attacked those targets in SA ?

Or did Iran do this in-directly by giving Huthi drones, weapons and train them in using these drones ?

Will USA/SA try to find an excuse to attack Iran ?

I don't like the idea in which USA and SA attack targets in Iran and then in 10-15 years from now we are being told it was based on a big lie.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Both sides (Iran and Yemen) are both against Saudi, especially Iran with their oil production being curtailed.

Saudi can't afford to attack Iran without first protecting their oil fields or they will loose the other half.

Nothing will happen till Saudi is ready to fight back. Meanwhile 5% of the world's oil production has been destroyed.

Price of gas going up for sure not to mention war drums are beating and no doubt in my mind President Trump will be right in the middle of it all.

[mapuc]

I can't remember his title or what he was expert on/in

Said on Danish tv, couple of month back or so

"Saudi-Arabia is no match for Iran.

Iran is the super power among the Islamic states in the region with the exception of Israel."(from my memory)

So far Iran is taking part in this civil war in Yemen by supporting the Houthi. The question is:
Will they go from supporting Houthi to full scale war against SA.
Or take directly part in the civil war in Yemen.

I fear it will turn from bad to worse.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I fear it will turn from bad to worse.

Markus

Me too ... This no small pipe line nor a ship that is being held captive

[em2nought]

John Bolton is Carrie.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

e Houthi. The question is:
Will they go from supporting Houthi to full scale war against SA.
Or take directly part in the civil war in Yemen.

Iranian Revolutionary Guards are on ground in Syria, Jemen, Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon. Israel has carried oput dozens and dozens of air attacks in the past years in syria, attacking bases and depots of the RG.



Iran is fully engaged in war already. Europe (and Obama) just shy away from calling it that, because that would mean the honey moon of Europe with Iran is over. Whether the Donald means serious business or just once again shows his big mouth remains to be seen. Without massive US support, the SA military probbaly is nto mwrth all thebadrware they bought in revcent years. They are one of the biggest customers of military grade equipment and weapons since years.



Add to this the financial and logictical support by Iran for Muslim terrorism around the world.

[Jeff-Groves]

I'm not worried.
Did an online check for Armageddon and only found a Bar in Detroit.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I'm not worried.
Did an online check for Armageddon and only found a Bar in Detroit.

The rapture has been foiled by Google's algorithms.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by em2nought

The rapture has been foiled by Google's algorithms.

Now that makes me wonder if Google was used to target the Oil Fields!

Alexa! Guide the drones to the Oil Fields!

[Skybird]

Brief, compact, uncomfortable comment.

https://translate.google.de/translat...les-Chaos.html

The European illusions about Iran must come to an end. It is not the innocent vitim of Americna aggression, and it never was. In fact it showed to be a bully right since Khomenei's times when it scored the first victory against the US during the hostage crisis. It then stubbornly refused to get defeated by Saddam durign the first Gulf war against Iraq. It established a plethora of retaliation options thropughtout the reigon by planting the networks of terror logistics. It finally rejects to economically collapse due to the sanctions today. Not mentioning that the claimed superior Saudi coaltion so far wa sunable to defeat the Huthi in Yemen, nor can Israel drive Iran-supported structures out of Lebanaon.

"Weak"? "Innocent"? "Victim"? By points it won every round against the West so far. And the stupid Europeans even want to give it a golden cup for that.