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Old 02-26-21, 04:17 AM   #961
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My "monologue" to all this: I just red that the osciallation of the AMOC, to whcih th Guld Strema belongs, is at its lowets since 1600 years. Not "since the year 1600", but "since 1600 years." In Europe an ongoing decline fo the osciallation would lead to hotter summers and harsher winters. Fish life in the Atlantic would decline. CO2 absorption srate by the sea would drop.



Enough monologue for today.
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Old 02-26-21, 05:16 AM   #962
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^ re monologues i'm sorry but ..

Regarding the gulf stream, i think Markus mentioned this a few days ago. If this is true, we will have other problems than relaxed discussing from an armchair, or about which politician is better or worse.
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Old 02-26-21, 11:16 AM   #963
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^ re monologues i'm sorry but ..

Regarding the gulf stream, i think Markus mentioned this a few days ago. If this is true, we will have other problems than relaxed discussing from an armchair, or about which politician is better or worse.
Paywalled, unfortunately, but the abstract:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-021-00699-z


https://www.dw.com/de/golfstrom-absc...tem/a-56702091


Its not new a claim, but they used a different approach.
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Old 03-01-21, 03:26 PM   #964
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Dang! This getting serious

A massive iceberg off Antarctica breaks New York City !


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Old 03-01-21, 04:09 PM   #965
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OMG it broke the whole darn City! That's what I would call a "Rogue Floe"!

From the article. (obviously attempting to cover up the destruction of the city).

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There is no evidence that climate change played a significant role in this event, the BAS said. Calving is an entirely natural process wherever ice flowing on the land meets the ocean or large lakes. Each year, 10,000 to 15,000 icebergs are calved worldwide, most of them on the small side, according to Canadian Geographic. The largest iceberg recorded calved off Antarctica in 2000: That one was about as big as the island of Jamaica.
As for what's going to happen to this iceberg, Francis said that “over the coming weeks or months, the iceberg may move away; or it could run aground and remain close to Brunt Ice Shelf."
As huge as it is, this iceberg is still dwarfed by the chunk of ice that broke off Antarctica’s Larsen C Ice Shelf in 2017, which recently threatened to collide with South Georgia Island and is among the largest recorded at 2,240 square miles, Gizmodo said.
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Old 03-01-21, 04:12 PM   #966
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^ What a headline
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This is why we can't be caught throwing money at climate change by the way did you know that Biden is rejoining the Paris agreement to the tune of 100 billion dollars we owe for dropping out.

Ancient tree tells chaotic tale of Earth’s magnetic field reversal

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A perfectly preserved ancient tree fossil has offered scientists a unique peek into a moment 42,000 years ago when the Earth’s magnetic field went haywire. The impressive study paints a picture of temporary environmental chaos, potentially influencing everything from an increase in cave paintings to the extinction of the Neanderthals.
This is bigger than it looks ... for Edgar Cayce prophesied back in 1930's that the North pole and the South pole would exchange with each other. Note these things take about 1,000 years to complete.
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Old 03-02-21, 03:45 AM   #968
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^ yes, earth's last magnetic field change was around 42,0000 years ago. The magnetic field diverts a lot of solar radiation, which otherwise would have a "bit of an impact" on life.
Other than accelerating the earth's mean temperature by raising the CO2 level in the atmosphere, in this case mankind has nothing to do with it/cannot do anything against it (other than is this film "The Core"..)

This planet acts like a giant dynamo, the iron core moving with another speed and direction than the crust, thus generating a magnetic field.
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^ yes, earth's last magnetic field change was around 42,0000 years ago. The magnetic field diverts a lot of solar radiation, which otherwise would have a "bit of an impact" on life.
Other than accelerating the earth's mean temperature by raising the CO2 level in the atmosphere, in this case mankind has nothing to do with it/cannot do anything against it (other than is this film "The Core"..)

This planet acts like a giant dynamo, the iron core moving with another speed and direction than the crust, thus generating a magnetic field.
Noseebutbutsee... You're not adhering to the narrative that people are the cause and we all have to stop driving cars and start eating bugs or we're all gonna die...
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Noseebutbutsee... You're not adhering to the narrative that people are the cause and we all have to stop driving cars and start eating bugs or we're all gonna die...
Better than revealing one's stupidity by talking about solar cycles and pole reversals as the cause.
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Better than revealing one's stupidity by talking about solar cycles and pole reversals as the cause.
Dowly's talking about me, uh?

It's a battle for what we think
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Summers in Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., are hotter than Atlanta summers were not so long ago.

How to Talk About Climate Change as Catastrophes Pile Up

After Fatal Floods, Germans Look At How Climate Change And Infrastructure Contributed


Ok, so everything bad that happens is climate change. What can we do about it? Switch away from carbon fuels, driver electric cars, reduce the beef population (so long, cheeseburgers! )

How are we going to get Russia and China to follow suit.

And Africa? I don't see that happening.

How we going to get the climate change activists like Al Gore, David Attenborough, and Sean Penn to reduce their carbon footprint? Last month a relative of mine lectured me on the importance of taking on climate change, citing record temps in the US west. Yeah, this is the guy who flies all over the world for his job and I'm not really sure what his job is other than to make sure his job exists. He could become a local librarian and do more for society, and bicycle to work.

How do we convince idiots that there is no easy solution, nothing close.




Honestly, I don't think there is a chance to avoid the coming climate catastrophe, no matter what we do. We jumped out of the plane a long time ago, there's no sense worrying about the parachute now.

But I'll do about anything to end the nagging and self-righteous finger wagging. So, ok, yes, climate change is real. Now, what are you going to do about it?
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Old 07-20-21, 09:50 AM   #974
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I agree there is a relation, but it is too late anyway. Trying to adapt is the way to deal with the situation. Question is if we are so far that it has become a self-amplifying process, but we will know this soon enough.

I wonder if not settling in a deep trench between mountains or on a volcanic slope may still help a bit.
(NO i do NOT think that volcanic eruptions are in any respect man-made, but you get the idea .. )
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Old 07-20-21, 09:52 AM   #975
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I hear you, Neal. Yes, we jumped off the plane logn time ago already, without parachutes. I too do not see salvation from this mishap. Only, hopefully, enough survivors at the end of whats coming that a new start can be tried afterwards. Certain that is not.

Practical things: focus precious ressources, both time and money and intellect, on things enabling adaptation to the consequences instead of wanting to turn back the clock and reversing climate warming. That has a physical self-dynamic that I see that attempt at hopeless. For example instead of building cities as usual and thinking of how to cool climate and make the clocks tick backwards, we must think in terms of how to build houses on skiff-like constructions like they do in parts of the Netherlands and I think Scandinavia. Such houses are build like little ships on the dry land, and if the water comes, they float. Their water pipes and heating and electricity, all that is flexible, can move with the house up and down.

This is not the big antidot to climate desaster, I give this exmaple more as an illustration for how to focus differently. Not reverisng climate chnage,mt hat is impossible, but adapting to the change it inevitably brings.

Another example is to no longer build settlements and infrastructures in harms ways, in regions known or predicted to be potential deaster zones, like the taifun alled in the centre of the Phillipines where the number of lost lives have exploded becasue in modenr times man started to buiol in that zone where as in the past peopelk were clever enough not to do so.

And let nature have its ways on regulating 8 billion and more derstructive virusses. I said it so many times. We are too many. Everything we build and do, is too big. All consequences we cause, are too excessive. Because we are too many. And want too much. Not eating meat anymore, changes nothing, not the smallest thing in that. Farming rice causes twice as much methane than all cattle breath and fart out gobally. Should we forbid people to eat rice now? Good luck with that, the resulting famines will be intense.


Honestly said, I think human civilization is a virus infection for the planet that cannot be cured, but needs to run until its bitter end. From the dead corpus than maybe new life forms up. I am desillusionized.



There are other big issues for which I see no solution. The loss of sand. The loss of fertile, agriclturally usable spoil, you cannot comepnsate that with fertilzer and insectizides, both kill the microbiomes and so the ability of the ground to recycle its mineral levels. The desertification adding to this. And so forth.
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