Mum appeals for US suspect's return - Page 7

Rockstar · 12-26-19, 04:03 PM

jesus eddie you could have saved yourself from writing all that, had just taken the time to read my post just above yours.

Catfish · 12-26-19, 04:05 PM

I take it the main problem starts when "justice" or let's say imprisonment is connected to making money. Much worse in the US I know. Let's just call it capitalism

Seriously, when i was in the UK for the third time (just made an international (in the EU

yeah fk you brexiters) driving license I was alright in Coventry and Abingdon (lots of young guys wanting to see Europe (and free to travel and live there with no problem!)), i woke up the third day, said goodbye to our nice hosts in Coventry, entered the car and drove off on the right side of the road, in England -
I soon realized my error alright , but if not and if some cyclist woud have 'met' me...

Then the next roundabout - no traffic lights or crossroads, looked left, nothing there, and disengaged the clutch- next thing i realized my co-driver shouting and a wheel squeal at the right of me. A big tire and a giant chassis whipping of some red bus.. sheer luck.
I drove very concentrated then and it never happened again, but if

If something gruesome had happened due to a mistake i made, i would have staid and accepted the outcome.
i can't blame the woman, but it would not have been my take. I think

August · 12-26-19, 06:11 PM

I read somewhere that driving is largely a subconscious activity. It is very difficult and tiring to drive with ones full attention for any distance.

Rockstar · 12-26-19, 08:03 PM

catfish I think I understand what you're saying. we all have this reasonable expectation that lady justice is more than simply swift and final but also impartial and that all evidence would weighed. But unfortunetly that isnt always the case and as we have read it can quickly become political.

As much as admire your honestly and desire to do the right thing as well as expecting the same of the prosecutor. I would still strongly suggest contacting the German embassy or some other friendly counsel before you admit to do doing any wrong, especially in a foreign land.

If you just roll over you make it easy for the prosecution/government to close the case and just rubber stamp you all the way to you new cell. Everyone has a right to be represented and defended.

Rockstar · 12-26-19, 08:10 PM

Just an FYI. In the U.S. slavery has been abolished. UNLESS you have been found guilty of a crime and sent to prison.

13th Amendment to our Constitution.

... neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

again, seek counsel admit nothing. because you are right, prison labor is big business here and elsewhere

Jimbuna · 01-11-20, 07:49 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

The Home Office has requested the extradition of a US woman to be charged with causing the death by dangerous driving of motorcyclist Harry Dunn.

Mr Dunn, 19, died after a crash in Northamptonshire in August which led to the suspect, Anne Sacoolas, leaving for the US under diplomatic immunity.

Extradition proceedings were started in December.

The Home Office said the matter was "now a decision for the US authorities".

Jimbuna · 01-11-20, 07:52 AM

And the response.

Quote:

The United States has criticised the UK's request to extradite an American accused of killing motorcyclist Harry Dunn, calling it "highly inappropriate".

Mr Dunn, 19, died after being hit by a car allegedly driven by suspect Anne Sacoolas, who left the country for the US claiming diplomatic immunity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-51075235

Bilge_Rat · 01-11-20, 11:56 AM

If you follow the saga, it is interesting to see that this is a UK story only. It is barely being reported on in the US.

As we all know, Democratic politicians and the liberal.US MSM are always looking for an anti-Trump angle. If there was mileage.to be made by criticizing the US position, you would.see it in the US coverage. The deafening silence is proof that everyone is on the same page that mrs.Sacoolas has diplomatic immunity and she should not be extradited.

Skybird · 01-11-20, 12:29 PM

One can have arranged all formalities so that they back oneself, and still be wrong. If you only have paragraphs on your side, and moral against you, sooner or later this leaves a foul taste and the other's mouth.

And there may be a time when you cannord afford to spit on him, but need his help. What reaosn will he have then to grant it?

The whole story and circumstances have such a rotten scent around them, that it really needs no debate. What we have here is "justice" mistaken with "power".

Jimbuna · 01-12-20, 07:30 AM

I can't see her being sent back if I'm being honest but this will have some form of repercussion in the future of that I am in little doubt.

Skybird · 01-12-20, 09:57 AM

Justrice gets defined by the stronger. Its "law of the jungle" in disguise. Same like history being written by victors.

Jimbuna · 01-18-20, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Footage of a vehicle on the wrong side of the road near an RAF base has prompted urgent discussions in light of the death of Harry Dunn in a separate incident nearby.

The video of the near miss near RAF Croughton emerged as police revealed details of a separate incident in which a police vehicle was struck by a car being driven on the wrong side of the road in October.

In a statement published to Twitter, Northamptonshire Police’s chief constable Nick Adderley said the force had been made aware of the incident, and also said he had been made aware of another incident in Northampton in October, in which a police vehicle had been struck by a vehicle driving on the wrong side of the road.

He wrote: “I want to be absolutely clear on the fact that these incidents just cannot keep happening. We know all too well in the case of young Harry, just how devastating they can be.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...d9QnZAkHzcZpIK

Two more incidents and both cars carrying diplomatic plates and registered as belonging to the intelligence base.

Buddahaid · 01-18-20, 11:23 AM

If it's any consolation, people drive just as badly on the right side of the road here. Tailgating at high speed in any weather, no turn signals and no headlights when required due to rain and fog etc. It seems to be getting worse over the past several years as cars get smarter than the drivers.

Rockstar · 01-19-20, 10:13 AM

Right, I went down to Florida for Christmas. Going through Georgia a driver in an old Ford f-150 entered Highway I-95 into a mass of oncoming traffic. Never gave it any thought if he worked for the CIA, had diplomatic immunity, if he was a foreigner getting away with something. Neither was I thinking of political ramifications or how it could affect Trump. Only thing that came to mind was as I hit the brakes hoping I didn't get rear ended was "holy sheet what the hell is this a dumbass doing?". Good thing he didn't kill anyone.

Catfish · 05-12-20, 07:55 AM

The suspect in the crash which killed Harry Dunn is "wanted internationally" after an Interpol notice.

"An Interpol Red Notice - a request to law enforcement worldwide to locate and provisionally arrest a person pending extradition, surrender, or similar legal action - has now been issued.
On its website, Interpol states a red notice "is an international wanted persons notice, but it is not an arrest warrant"."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-52619998

12-26-19, 04:03 PM	#91
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	jesus eddie you could have saved yourself from writing all that, had just taken the time to read my post just above yours. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

12-26-19, 04:05 PM	#92
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I take it the main problem starts when "justice" or let's say imprisonment is connected to making money. Much worse in the US I know. Let's just call it capitalism Seriously, when i was in the UK for the third time (just made an international (in the EU yeah fk you brexiters) driving license I was alright in Coventry and Abingdon (lots of young guys wanting to see Europe (and free to travel and live there with no problem!)), i woke up the third day, said goodbye to our nice hosts in Coventry, entered the car and drove off on the right side of the road, in England - I soon realized my error alright , but if not and if some cyclist woud have 'met' me... Then the next roundabout - no traffic lights or crossroads, looked left, nothing there, and disengaged the clutch- next thing i realized my co-driver shouting and a wheel squeal at the right of me. A big tire and a giant chassis whipping of some red bus.. sheer luck. I drove very concentrated then and it never happened again, but if If something gruesome had happened due to a mistake i made, i would have staid and accepted the outcome. i can't blame the woman, but it would not have been my take. I think __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-26-19, 06:11 PM	#93
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 22,667 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I read somewhere that driving is largely a subconscious activity. It is very difficult and tiring to drive with ones full attention for any distance. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-26-19, 08:03 PM	#94
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	catfish I think I understand what you're saying. we all have this reasonable expectation that lady justice is more than simply swift and final but also impartial and that all evidence would weighed. But unfortunetly that isnt always the case and as we have read it can quickly become political. As much as admire your honestly and desire to do the right thing as well as expecting the same of the prosecutor. I would still strongly suggest contacting the German embassy or some other friendly counsel before you admit to do doing any wrong, especially in a foreign land. If you just roll over you make it easy for the prosecution/government to close the case and just rubber stamp you all the way to you new cell. Everyone has a right to be represented and defended. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 12-26-19 at 09:55 PM.

12-26-19, 08:10 PM	#95
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just an FYI. In the U.S. slavery has been abolished. UNLESS you have been found guilty of a crime and sent to prison. 13th Amendment to our Constitution. ... neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. again, seek counsel admit nothing. because you are right, prison labor is big business here and elsewhere __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 12-26-19 at 09:55 PM.

01-11-20, 07:49 AM	#96
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,122 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621 The Home Office has requested the extradition of a US woman to be charged with causing the death by dangerous driving of motorcyclist Harry Dunn. Mr Dunn, 19, died after a crash in Northamptonshire in August which led to the suspect, Anne Sacoolas, leaving for the US under diplomatic immunity. Extradition proceedings were started in December. The Home Office said the matter was "now a decision for the US authorities". __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

01-11-20, 11:56 AM	#98
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,793 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	If you follow the saga, it is interesting to see that this is a UK story only. It is barely being reported on in the US. As we all know, Democratic politicians and the liberal.US MSM are always looking for an anti-Trump angle. If there was mileage.to be made by criticizing the US position, you would.see it in the US coverage. The deafening silence is proof that everyone is on the same page that mrs.Sacoolas has diplomatic immunity and she should not be extradited. __________________

01-11-20, 12:29 PM	#99
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,487 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	One can have arranged all formalities so that they back oneself, and still be wrong. If you only have paragraphs on your side, and moral against you, sooner or later this leaves a foul taste and the other's mouth. And there may be a time when you cannord afford to spit on him, but need his help. What reaosn will he have then to grant it? The whole story and circumstances have such a rotten scent around them, that it really needs no debate. What we have here is "justice" mistaken with "power". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-12-20, 07:30 AM	#100
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,122 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I can't see her being sent back if I'm being honest but this will have some form of repercussion in the future of that I am in little doubt. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

01-12-20, 09:57 AM	#101
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,487 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Justrice gets defined by the stronger. Its "law of the jungle" in disguise. Same like history being written by victors. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-18-20, 11:23 AM	#103
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,557 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	If it's any consolation, people drive just as badly on the right side of the road here. Tailgating at high speed in any weather, no turn signals and no headlights when required due to rain and fog etc. It seems to be getting worse over the past several years as cars get smarter than the drivers. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-19-20, 10:13 AM	#104
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Right, I went down to Florida for Christmas. Going through Georgia a driver in an old Ford f-150 entered Highway I-95 into a mass of oncoming traffic. Never gave it any thought if he worked for the CIA, had diplomatic immunity, if he was a foreigner getting away with something. Neither was I thinking of political ramifications or how it could affect Trump. Only thing that came to mind was as I hit the brakes hoping I didn't get rear ended was "holy sheet what the hell is this a dumbass doing?". Good thing he didn't kill anyone. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

05-12-20, 07:55 AM	#105
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The suspect in the crash which killed Harry Dunn is "wanted internationally" after an Interpol notice. "An Interpol Red Notice - a request to law enforcement worldwide to locate and provisionally arrest a person pending extradition, surrender, or similar legal action - has now been issued. On its website, Interpol states a red notice "is an international wanted persons notice, but it is not an arrest warrant"." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-...shire-52619998 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.