Who / What / Where Game - Page 1013

Aktungbby · 01-23-21, 06:59 PM

We'll have to rename this the 'SLAM-Dunk What'sis' thread!

Catfish · 01-23-21, 07:00 PM

^ now we're talking.. you can send me some bottles of Napa wine, and i'll finally find out the truth about .. everything

OT from here regarding any new WWW (how fitting with www.google ..

) riddle

@Aktungbby:
I remember our pms.. i think i asked what you made of this frieze scene and the stern protrusions but we did not discuss this further. Those ships did not stay in the water for long, it seems they were usually pulled out on land, and of course for months during the winter storms. They had stone sheds for their ships for protection, in almost all harbours.

We do not know much about the building details, whether they used planks (i think so, derived from the dugout canoes being used all around the cyclades = northern greek islands roughly formed like a ring or cycle, on a map) and later adding more freeboard via planks, to make it more seaworthy, but we do not know whether they used nails (wood or bronze) or burrings (furrings?) to connect them.

One of the boats' hull is also shown as painted with birds and dolphins, and it may be that they used some painted cloth to 1. protect the wood from drying and springing leaks in the hot mediterranean sun (still done today, hanging wet towels overboard on wooden boats in the summer for protection), or 2. to make them water-tight at all.

This exhibition featured the view that the stern protrusions were used as rams, while also showing a version of this arrangement to better pull it out of the water as you described. We can't be sure, until we build a real replica and try it out.

I know that you are also sailing, so my theory is:
Looking at the frieze i noticed that some boats are being rowed or paddled, others only use the wind, or both. There is always that helmsman/tillerman/'cox'(?) holding a rudder at the the right "starboard - steuerbord Steuer=rudder!" side, like with those later Viking ships.
Sometimes two rudders and helmsmen (both sides) are shown, but the boats with this rear contraption only show one, at the "right"/starboard side.

Those boats had no real keel, and of course not one like we use today on smaller yachts, so could it be this rear "stabiliser" (for loss of a better word) is a kind of help to keep the boat on course through the water, while cutting across with less effort (only one helmsman/one rudder needed here)? (even yard-rigged boats can cut across, if only up to 60 degrees or so, if at all).
The ropes being there to lift the steering help out, or deploy it, into the water..

What do you think?

All the best,
Kai

u crank · 01-23-21, 07:09 PM

Is that a jet engine on the left?

Buddahaid · 01-23-21, 07:16 PM

Yes it is.

u crank · 01-23-21, 07:21 PM

Arado Ar.234 Blitz?

Buddahaid · 01-23-21, 07:23 PM

Not the Ar.234.

u crank · 01-23-21, 07:25 PM

Is it German?

Buddahaid · 01-23-21, 07:26 PM

Yes, it is German.

u crank · 01-23-21, 07:29 PM

Junkers Ju 287?

Buddahaid · 01-23-21, 07:32 PM

The the beast. A four engine jet bomber with fixed landing gear.

It probably made Junkers a bit miffed having to use the BMW engine instead of their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_287

u crank · 01-23-21, 08:17 PM

OK.

What exactly is this?

Buddahaid · 01-23-21, 08:39 PM

Is that wood?

u crank · 01-23-21, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Is that wood?

Not wood.

Aktungbby · 01-23-21, 10:08 PM

clay? As in pottery?:

skidman · 01-24-21, 05:14 AM

Man made?

01-23-21, 06:59 PM	#15181
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,837 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	We'll have to rename this the 'SLAM-Dunk What'sis' thread! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

01-23-21, 07:00 PM	#15182
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,893 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ now we're talking.. you can send me some bottles of Napa wine, and i'll finally find out the truth about .. everything OT from here regarding any new WWW (how fitting with www.google .. ) riddle @Aktungbby: I remember our pms.. i think i asked what you made of this frieze scene and the stern protrusions but we did not discuss this further. Those ships did not stay in the water for long, it seems they were usually pulled out on land, and of course for months during the winter storms. They had stone sheds for their ships for protection, in almost all harbours. We do not know much about the building details, whether they used planks (i think so, derived from the dugout canoes being used all around the cyclades = northern greek islands roughly formed like a ring or cycle, on a map) and later adding more freeboard via planks, to make it more seaworthy, but we do not know whether they used nails (wood or bronze) or burrings (furrings?) to connect them. One of the boats' hull is also shown as painted with birds and dolphins, and it may be that they used some painted cloth to 1. protect the wood from drying and springing leaks in the hot mediterranean sun (still done today, hanging wet towels overboard on wooden boats in the summer for protection), or 2. to make them water-tight at all. This exhibition featured the view that the stern protrusions were used as rams, while also showing a version of this arrangement to better pull it out of the water as you described. We can't be sure, until we build a real replica and try it out. I know that you are also sailing, so my theory is: Looking at the frieze i noticed that some boats are being rowed or paddled, others only use the wind, or both. There is always that helmsman/tillerman/'cox'(?) holding a rudder at the the right "starboard - steuerbord Steuer=rudder!" side, like with those later Viking ships. Sometimes two rudders and helmsmen (both sides) are shown, but the boats with this rear contraption only show one, at the "right"/starboard side. Those boats had no real keel, and of course not one like we use today on smaller yachts, so could it be this rear "stabiliser" (for loss of a better word) is a kind of help to keep the boat on course through the water, while cutting across with less effort (only one helmsman/one rudder needed here)? (even yard-rigged boats can cut across, if only up to 60 degrees or so, if at all). The ropes being there to lift the steering help out, or deploy it, into the water.. What do you think? All the best, Kai __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 01-23-21 at 07:37 PM.*

01-23-21, 07:09 PM	#15183
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,557 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Is that a jet engine on the left? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

01-23-21, 07:16 PM	#15184
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,553 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Yes it is. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-23-21, 07:21 PM	#15185
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,557 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Arado Ar.234 Blitz? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

01-23-21, 07:23 PM	#15186
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,553 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Not the Ar.234. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-23-21, 07:25 PM	#15187
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,557 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Is it German? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

01-23-21, 07:26 PM	#15188
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,553 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Yes, it is German. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-23-21, 07:29 PM	#15189
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,557 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Junkers Ju 287? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

01-23-21, 07:32 PM	#15190
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,553 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	The the beast. A four engine jet bomber with fixed landing gear. It probably made Junkers a bit miffed having to use the BMW engine instead of their own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_287 __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-23-21, 08:17 PM	#15191
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,557 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	OK. What exactly is this? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

01-23-21, 08:39 PM	#15192
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,553 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Is that wood? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

01-23-21, 10:08 PM	#15194
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,837 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	clay? As in pottery?: __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

01-24-21, 05:14 AM	#15195
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Man made? __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)