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Old 10-20-20, 08:36 AM   #10936
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Well if people are saying slanderous things about you during an election campaign and you could easily prove them false, why wouldn't you? Again to not do so seems suspicious. [..]
If Biden would seriously prove everything wrong that has been said about him by Trump he would need more than 24 hours a day (which is of course what T. wants), i take it Biden just has had enough.
Let's see what happens in the next days, as far as i read Trump will be in for a treat.
And I'm out of here, we are both sounding like a broken record
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And I'm out of here, we are both sounding like a broken record
Keep an open mind and don't just listen to the Biden friendly news media.

The truth is out there.
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The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections.
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I guess it must have something to do with their disapproval of the sitting President Trump who is behind in every polls.

Because the Chinese don't like Trump
(The Russian do however)

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The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections.



Whew! What a relief, i was so worried.
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The BBC are reporting that China has said it will not interfere with the US elections.
They have signed kind of a Ribbentrop-pact with Russia, dividing the Ununited States. After the next puppet got installed, China gets the Western half of the American states, Russia, having easier access via the North Atlantic, the Eastern half of states.



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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...stahl-n1244104


"You have to watch what we do to 60 Minutes," Trump said early at rally in Erie, Pennsylvania, on Tuesday night. "You'll get such a kick out of it, you're going to get a kick out of it. Lesley Stahl is not going to be happy.”


Ouh. That kind of threat language we knew all to well in Germany, three generations ago.


This on a day when a politcal scientist from Harvard university and former adviser to Kissinger warns of Weimarer conditions in America and democracy being overwhelemed Yes, the threat is real, I see it the same way.
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This on a day when a political scientist from Harvard university and former adviser to Kissinger warns of Weimarer conditions in America and democracy being overwhelemed Yes, the threat is real, I see it the same way.
The issue is that science does not play the biggest role for some Trump fanboys these days. Be it climate change, be it Corona, be it trade, be it whatever where science is involved including what y mentioned (and it is common sense under historians that democracy is not a given fact for any country, it is hard to understand why somebody can think of the opposite).

They are searching instead with a magnifying glass to detect dirt on Biden (hint: they will find it) and seem not to be able to watch any reasonable TV interview with Trump (the town hall meeting last week is a highlight regarding this) and that you cannot do marks on a paper fast enough to protocol his lying, denying science or not taken responsibilities for errors or for anything. Then y hear answers like "he is playing just with the moderators, he knows better". Ok, a look at the WHO dashboard or his political decisions regarding climate change is also then playing, I guess...

That is the one thing why I never joined and will join a political organization: You can discuss opinions, you can have different opinions and opinoins also do not always need to be based 100% on facts (although it would be good). But I would have never the energy to constantly discuss with people about facts, especially these days with the net. You always find a crazy scientist (or lobbyist) who deny facts like climate change or a doctor who claims HIV is not a virus disease. It seems everybody has a link ready for the next conspiration theory these days. What a waste of time.
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Ouh. That kind of threat language we knew all to well in Germany, three generations ago.
Well that's streching everything in that article to the extreme. You're projecting here. If you look for Nazis under every bed and behind every tree you will miss the real story.

Here's a question. If big tech (Twitter, Facebook) will protect candidate Biden from scrutiny what will they do for President Biden? And what will be the reciprocal that a Biden administration will do for big tech? This is far more important than President Trump doing his standard routine with Lesley Stahl and NBCNews.

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If big tech had wanted to protect Biden, they've obviously failed miserably. The whole idea of someone trying to hide information published in a paper away from somebody in the year 2020 is bush-league.

Unsurprisingly Twitter's and Facebook's decision to suppress that wish-wash published by the NY Post now has to become the scandal the GOP is desperately looking for, because the story of a man handing over a laptop for repair in a Delaware computer shop, not picking it up within 90 days and thus let a copy of the (red hot) data on the hard drive miraculously find a way into Rudy's office is so far-fetched and stupid, it hurts anyone's brain.
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^ In a Danish article it is said

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50 ex-agents: Biden article resembles Russian smear campaign

Article about the Democratic presidential candidate's son resembles attempts at Russian electoral influence, according to experts.

A critical article about the Democratic presidential candidate, Joe Biden, his son Hunter and shady connections to a Ukrainian energy company is apparently the result of a Russian attempt to influence elections.
It estimates more than 50 former intelligence agents who have signed and published a letter with the conclusion Monday.
Several American media outlets mention this, including Politico.

The letter concludes, among other things, that the article "has all the classic signs of a Russian information operation".
The New York Post media last week published an article allegedly based on a series of emails mysteriously obtained from Hunter Biden's computer.
The article suggests that Joe Biden had used his previous position as US Vice President to help his son get a gold-rimmed seat on the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma.

No other media has been able to verify the content of the article. At the same time, both Twitter and Facebook have blocked the sharing of the article.
Several former CIA directors have since been involved in assessing the case.
They have a "strong suspicion that the Russian government has played a major role in the case", the letter states.
- And if we are right, then it is Russia that is trying to influence how Americans vote in this election. And we believe that the American people need to be aware of that, it further states.
The signatories to the letter include other ex-agents who have worked under the last four presidents - including Donald Trump.

They emphasize that they cannot say with certainty whether the emails in question are genuine.
End of article

So could it be Russia who once again are trying to affect the coming election in USA ?

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Did Joe Biden take a bribe? The tech giants and legacy media have taken extreme and unprecedented measures to silence news accounts that probe this question. Beyond Twitter and Facebook, there are reports of TikTok censoring contributors attempting to share the New York Post reporting on Hunter Biden.
Contrary to the ridiculous attempts to discredit the New York Post reporting, the sourcing in that story is actually far superior to the journalistic standards followed in published attacks on Trump, which often rely on verbal accounts by anonymous sources. To bolster these attacks, other publications “corroborate” anonymous sources with still more anonymous sourcing—leading to the suspicion that it’s all just the same anonymous sources spreading rumors.
In contrast, the New York Post has produced an email trail from a trove of documents obtained from a now on-the-record store owner who received the laptop directly from Hunter Biden. Neither Joe nor Hunter has disputed the authenticity of any specific document. Indeed, as of Monday, the campaign called a “lid” on all public campaign activities until after the Thursday debate. With so few days left before the election, it’s unprecedented to hide a candidate from the public for four days. That’s a desperate measure to avoid answering questions.
Let’s walk through the evidence to consider whether Biden did, in fact, take a bribe.
Federal law defines “bribery of a public official” as when a “public official . . . receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value . . . in return for being influenced in the performance of any official act.” Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani claims to have a screenshot of a text message from Hunter revealing that he was expected to pay for family expenses and give the elder Biden half his salary. This text appears to be evidence that the Democrats’ standard-bearer took a piece of Hunter’s salary (in-kind and directly), which seems to meet the bribery statute’s terms “receive” or “accept” something “of value.”
But there’s more.
The Washington Post just published an article recounting an interview with a former advisor to Hunter. According to that account, the advisor warned Hunter Biden, “They’re using you for your name. They will exploit your name to your detriment and your father’s.” Hunter Biden responded, “My mom and dad don’t have any money . . . I have to make money for the family.” This corroborates the text message Giuliani publicized—that Hunter was expected to use his salary to pay family expenses.
Even if Joe Biden hadn’t accepted money directly, Hunter’s enrichment could qualify under the precedent set in the prosecution of Representative William J. Jefferson (D-La.), who famously stashed $90,000 in cash in a freezer.

Ukraine, Again

But did the money influence an official act by Biden? The New York Post reporting seems to show evidence of a quid pro quo, i.e. that Hunter received a lavish salary in return for using his father’s influence to stop a prosecution.
On May 12, 2014, Hunter’s Burisma handler Vadym Pozharskyi wrote Hunter Biden, the new member of the Board of Directors for Burisma holdings, an appeal to help stop prosecutors from moving against “N.Z.” Those initials (N.Z.) are believed to refer to Burisma Founder Mykola Ziochevksy.
According to Pozharskyi, “representatives of new authorities” were attempting to shake-down Burisma for cash. Burisma reportedly did pay prosecutors a bribe but then these authorities “proceeded with concrete actions.”
Then came the reason Hunter had anything to do with Burisma in the first place. Pozharskyi wrote, “We urgently need your advice on how you could use your influence to convey a message / signal, etc. to stop what we consider to be politically motivated actions bearing in mind the following…Negative influence on our companies may result in multy(sic)-level negative social, econimical (sic) and political consequnces (sic).”
The phrase, “our companies,” seems to imply that both Burisma and Hunter’s consulting company would be exposed to an investigation.

The New York Post produced an April 2015 email between Pozharskyi and Hunter Biden. It read, “Dear Hunter, thank you for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent (sic) some time together.” Joe Biden’s campaign disputed this email, noting that the meeting did not appear on Biden’s official schedule. But, as Politico noted in 2012, “the published schedule offers only a narrow window into his activities,” and that “about one-third of the events depicted [in official White House photographs] were never on his public schedule.” Thus the absence of a schedule entry does not rule out that the meeting took place.
John Solomon places March 2016 as the date of Biden’s demand to fire Burisma’s prosecutor. The Washington Post wrote that Biden’s threat to withhold aid unless the prosecutor was fired actually happened during a 2015 visit. This appears to fulfill the request made by Burisma to Hunter in the 2014 email. There’s no dispute that Biden acted in his official capacity as the vice president when he threatened to withhold aid unless the prosecutor was fired.
To recap: The emails show Burisma asking Hunter to intercede to protect Burisma from prosecutors. Then the emails show Burisma thanking Hunter for setting up a meeting with Joe Biden. The text message and the Washington Post reporting show that Hunter may have shared his Burisma money with his father. And we know Biden threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine unless it fired the prosecutor tormenting Burisma. That looks like bribery.

Deflecting Attention

The media response to this has been to raise spurious questions about the “authenticity” of the evidence.
Twitter and Facebook censored links to the Post account on the grounds that the emails were “eligible for fact checking” or “hacked materials.” The censorship backfired, drawing bipartisan criticism. On Thursday, NBC published a completely ridiculous story (anonymously sourced) that the FBI was already investigating whether the entire chain of evidence might be a product of Russian disinformation.
Journalists have gamely cited Giuliani’s ties to a mysterious Russian intelligence figure and the fact that Steve Bannon (who also played a role in the publication of the emails) has been charged with a crime. But the FBI has been in possession of the Hunter Biden laptop since December. Only after the emails went public do anonymous sources suggest the FBI is suddenly investigating a “Russia” angle.
If Giuliani and Bannon were producing hearsay accounts from anonymous sources, their credibility would be highly relevant. But we don’t need to rely on the credibility of the messenger when the message comes in the form of original documents.
Perhaps the lamest criticism came from Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman who complained, “The New York Post never asked the Biden campaign about the critical elements of this story.” Yet NBC failed to report the Biden campaign’s explanation that Bates says the Post article lacked. And again, the Biden campaign has not actually identified any document it claims to be a forgery.
Contrary to the media’s attempts to cast doubt on the quality of the documents and the chain of custody of the evidence, it’s actually quite strong based upon publicly available documents.
On April 12, 2019, Hunter Biden signed a document labeled, “Quote #7469,” in which he agreed to pay $85 to repair a device he dropped off for service. John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of The Mac Shop in Wilmington, Delaware, has been identified and has gone on the record to confirm the transaction. When Hunter failed to pay the bill, the owner exercised his prerogative under the “quote” to take legal ownership of the laptop. Thus, the Post has established a pretty solid explanation for the chain of custody.
But here’s the real kicker: Hunter’s attorney contacted the shop owner to inquire about retrieving the laptop. Contrary to the Twitter and Facebook allegations that the emails were “hacked,” the evidence to the contrary appears much stronger.

Suppression of Evidence?

More troubling is that the FBI could have produced this information to clear up the impeachment controversy earlier in the year.
Recall that the House report accompanying the articles of impeachment against President Trump claimed, “Any suggestion that the former Vice President called for Mr. Shokin’s removal in order to stop an investigation of Burisma, the Company whose board Hunter Biden sat on, is inconsistent with these facts.”
True to the last four years, the FBI again staked out a political position as part of the resistance. Only by the FBI suppressing the laptop could House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the architect of impeachment, make the claim of “no evidence” in his report.
According to the New York Post, in December 2019, at the same time that Democrats were preparing to forward articles of impeachment to the Senate, the U.S. District Court in Delaware issued a subpoena for Hunter Biden’s laptop. The Post provided a screenshot of the subpoena in its reporting.
In releasing these documents, the Post has followed a strategy to discourage the Biden campaign from issuing bad-faith or untruthful denials. It has dribbled out the original accusation giving the Biden campaign a chance to respond without fully knowing how well-documented the claims are. Then it has crushed early denials with additional documentary evidence. Fox News independently verified the authenticity of some of the Post emails by asking some of the recipients. The Biden campaign is completely flat-footed, unable to deny the authenticity of emails.
The entire impeachment theory hinged on the central question: Did the Biden family take a bribe to ensure the removal of a prosecutor? Bizarrely, the Democrats have always maintained that the question was not relevant. Schiff told CBS News that witnesses like Hunter Biden, former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, are “immaterial” and would constitute an “abuse” of the Senate trial.
Joe Biden, on a number of occasions, has floated the argument that the prosecutor should have been fired anyway. That’s irrelevant. Even if firing the prosecutor was in the best interest of the United States, a public official should never allow his son (or himself personally) to receive a payoff for an official act.
Remember, the Ukraine scandal is only one of many pay-for-play controversies surrounding the Bidens. There are very troubling questions about the Biden family’s relationship with Communist China. It’s not hard to figure out why the tech companies might find a bribe-accepting potential president to be palatable, even desirable. The tech companies are long-overdue for public action. But they have plenty of money to pay “consulting fees” to protect themselves. A lot of money is on the line.


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