US Politics Thread 2021-24

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Now this was very interesting moving from one migration problem to an another.

Must be other things behind their decision to move to another state.

'Cause I have been told that people from CA was fleeing due to the immigrations problem and that the state was run by a Dem.

Markus

Like any oversimplification Markus it will not explain the breath of reasons people fleeing California, but they mostly have to do with the policies that the ruling party has instituted rather than who is occupying the governors seat.

From what I read the major reasons that people are leaving California are the increasingly high costs of living, housing, and transportation coupled with an increase in crime, pollution, and congestion. Illegal immigration would be connected to some of that but is not the only cause.

Businesses are also fleeing the state as well, citing things like crime, high rents, high taxes, high costs of living for employees, and increasingly onerous business regulations and red tape.

[mapuc]

Thank you Dave.

Well I hope it is better in the states they have moved to.

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thank you Dave.

Well I hope it is better in the states they have moved to.

Markus

It will be if they don't keep voting democrat.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Like any oversimplification Markus it will not explain the breath of reasons people fleeing California, but they mostly have to do with the policies that the ruling party has instituted rather than who is occupying the governors seat.

From what I read the major reasons that people are leaving California are the increasingly high costs of living, housing, and transportation coupled with an increase in crime, pollution, and congestion. Illegal immigration would be connected to some of that but is not the only cause.

Businesses are also fleeing the state as well, citing things like crime, high rents, high taxes, high costs of living for employees, and increasingly onerous business regulations and red tape.

Tempered by highest average wages.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/busin...lary-by-state/
"States With the Highest Average Salaries
Massachusetts: $76,600
New York: $74,870
California: $73,220
When it comes to the highest average salaries, three states stand out: Massachusetts, New York, and California."

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Tempered by highest average wages.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/busin...lary-by-state/
"States With the Highest Average Salaries
Massachusetts: $76,600
New York: $74,870
California: $73,220
When it comes to the highest average salaries, three states stand out: Massachusetts, New York, and California."

"Tempered" I like that. Apparently it ain't "tempered" enough to keep people from leaving though. It also doesn't "temper" the high crime rates or increasingly oppressive government regulations that are endemic to Democrat run states either.

[Buddahaid]

States ranked by reliance on Federal aid. CA ranks 42nd.
https://www.moneygeek.com/living/sta...al-government/

[Rockstar]

I guess it really has to do with who you ask and what they count as aid and reliance and when. Also too what a state receives is usually dependent on how much they contribute to the pot too.

California ranks the highest at $43.61 billion, Texas second at $26.90 billion, and Florida third $23.77 billion.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...l-aid-by-state

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Which states received the most money from the federal government?

Federal funding comes through several overlapping programs targeting state and local governments. The proportion of state revenues attributable to federal aid is determined by combining the funding received by both state and local institutions.

The five states that received the most federal aid were:

California ($162.9 billion)
New York ($110.2 billion)
Texas ($105.8 billion)
Florida ($58.8 billion)
Pennsylvania ($57.1 billion)

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-...n-federal-aid/

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[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You mistake me with somebody else surely.
I must have.




In light of what happened January 6, 2021 I believe it not beyond the realms of possibility.

There is a possibility in your own future that this man could bring the same realms around to your country.George Galloway?

Originally Posted by August

Like any oversimplification Markus it will not explain the breath of reasons people fleeing California, but they mostly have to do with the policies that the ruling party has instituted rather than who is occupying the governors seat.

From what I read the major reasons that people are leaving California are the increasingly high costs of living, housing, and transportation coupled with an increase in crime, pollution, and congestion. Illegal immigration would be connected to some of that but is not the only cause.

Businesses are also fleeing the state as well, citing things like crime, high rents, high taxes, high costs of living for employees, and increasingly onerous business regulations and red tape.

Sorry August, they are not fleeing they are spreading.Does a weed in your yard flee.No it spreads.It will spread from your yard to your neighbor's yard until the whole neighborhood is infected.And if acceptance of the weed becomes a natural then we have, Acceptance and now they are here and the roots grow. If they are powerful there will be no flowers only weeds.

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

States ranked by reliance on Federal aid. CA ranks 42nd.
https://www.moneygeek.com/living/sta...al-government/

Well damn, Buddahaid.. West Virginia needs more. Or is my home state nothing more than a Hollywood backdrop of Hillbillys.?

[August]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

Sorry August, they are not fleeing they are spreading.Does a weed in your yard flee.No it spreads.It will spread from your yard to your neighbor's yard until the whole neighborhood is infected.And if acceptance of the weed becomes a natural then we have, Acceptance and now they are here and the roots grow. If they are powerful there will be no flowers only weeds.

American citizens are not weeds Gorpet, and I know people who came from California that are so conservative they'd make you look like a commie pinko by comparison.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

There is a possibility in your own future that this man could bring the same realms around to your country.George Galloway?

Now there is one oxygen thief if ever I saw one

[Jimbuna]

Ukraine and Israel aid packages head for House vote in defiance of GOP far right

The House of Representatives overwhelmingly voted to advance the process of passing a large foreign aid package before a final debate and vote set to take place on Saturday.

A bipartisan majority voted for the debate rule on four bills on sending aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan, as well as a fourth bill on fresh sanctions on Russia and the possible banning of TikTok in the US.

The foreign aid package passed the procedural hurdle by a margin of 316 to 94.

A total of 165 Democrats chose to back the rule put forward by Republican Speaker Mike Johnson – 151 Republicans also voted in support of the rule.

Thirty-nine Democrats and 55 Republicans voted against the measure.

The vote to advance the foreign aid package ahead of final passage comes after several days of Republican infighting between the party’s far-right, which opposes any further aid to Ukraine, and more moderate members.
On Thursday night, all of the Democrats on the Rules Committee voted to bring the rule to the floor helping, stepping in to bail out the speaker. Three rightwing Republicans, Reps Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and Thomas Massie, voted against bringing the rule to the House for a full vote.

Hardright Republicans blasted the speaker on Friday.

“The question everyone should be asking is what deal did Speaker Johnson make with the Hakeem Jeffries to get the Democrats on the Rules Committee to vote for a Republican rule on the foreign war package which includes $60+ BILLION more to Ukraine? This never happens,” Georgia Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote on X on Friday before the vote of the full House.

“We do not have a Republican majority anymore, our Republican Speaker is literally controlled by the Democrats and giving them everything they want,” she added.

“The last time the Democrats carried a Republican Speaker over the line on a Rule vote was McCarthy’s bad debt limit deal. Shouldn’t have happened then. Shouldn’t happen today,” Florida Rep Matt Gaetz wrote ahead of the vote.

The vote to consider the bill on the floor comes after the effort to get further aid to Ukraine has stalled for months. The House is now set to vote on the individual bills for foreign aid on Saturday. The vote on Friday revealed that the $95bn foreign aid package appears to have the support needed to pass.

Votes on rules for considering bills tend to be party-line affairs, but on Friday, more Democrats than Republicans ended up backing the rule. But it also showed that a majority within the House Republicans appear to back foreign aid in the face of hard pushback from conservative hardliners.

Getting past the procedural step on Friday was a massive step forward for the Biden administration’s longtime effort to fund Ukraine’s war effort as it struggles to hold back against the Russian onslaught.

The vote was a defeat for the isolationist forces within the Republican Party, led by former President Donald Trump, who blasted the idea of further US aid to Ukraine on Truth Social on Thursday.

“Why isn’t Europe giving more money to help Ukraine?” he asked. “Why is it that the United States is over $100 Billion Dollars into the Ukraine War more than Europe, and we have an Ocean between us as separation! Why can’t Europe equalize or match the money put in by the United States of America in order to help a Country in desperate need? As everyone agrees, Ukrainian Survival and Strength should be much more important to Europe than to us, but it is also important to us! GET MOVING EUROPE!”

Mr Johnson pushed ahead with the aid package over the objection of the rightwing of the party in the face of threats of an effort to oust him from the job.

Republicans who have announced their support for a motion to vacate the chair, the process which ousted former Speaker Kevin McCarthy last year, include Ms Greene, Mr Massie, and as of Friday, Rep Paul Gosar.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...f8bc2bfb&ei=25