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Old 09-20-19, 09:12 AM   #1
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Default Medium grey Swan: effects of a Blackout in Germany

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In Germany they now want to ban not only oil heating but gas heatign as well. Some of the cleanest gas powerplants newly built, shall be switched off even before some coal powerplants. The cleanest plant for gas that we have, and the youngest, does not even get a working permit - since years. The quota of black-start-ready powerplants (powerplants that do not need external energy inputs to start from black-and-cold to operational mode), is being dramatically reduced already now.
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Old 09-20-19, 09:21 AM   #2
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From a news report about the govenrment's answer to a question of the AfD:


"In 2009, outage work amounting to 73.7 gigawatt hours (GWh) was caused by feed-in management measures. In 2018, however, it was a total of 5402.7 GWh. In the previous year, the volume was even higher: 5518.0 GWh."


Its about the instability caused in the powergrid due to feeding in the energy from unstable and unreliably varying reneweable energy, namely wind and so9lar. The factor in the change from 2009 to 2017/2018, is roughly 74.
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Is Germany going back to the stone age?

Mine you these green protest will go on and on and will not stop until we all go back to living in caves. And if Germany goes back first the rest of us will be asking what is this fire thing you have and can we have it as well.
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And if Germany goes back first the rest of us will be asking what is this fire thing you have and can we have it as well.

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Old 09-20-19, 04:45 PM   #5
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And the german Government has found the perfect solution for fulfilling the climate goals: Just put high taxes on everything that uses coal, oil and fuel, and of course on CO2 !

The People will have to pay for it all, but the people will not be able to pay it - tadaaa: clean environment!
The government does not have to do or decide or pay anything regarding improving technology or such - it just cashes in the money. Win-win

Switch off nuclear power plants, shut down coal plants, raze the just-built gas plants, give up cars. Electricity just comes just out of your wall plug, it's magic!

If this goes on the political coalition of CDU and SPD will be finished (good)and the AfD will be the winner (bad), in two years.
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Nuclear power is very clean and reliable, not like the old days! Wish we had them here in Australia. We have the same crap as Skybird points out, mostly wind and solar, very unreliable, most of our coal power stations have closed down, just imagine days when it is calm, overcast or night, no power!!
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Nuclear power is very clean and reliable, not like the old days! Wish we had them here in Australia. We have the same crap as Skybird points out, mostly wind and solar, very unreliable, most of our coal power stations have closed down, just imagine days when it is calm, overcast or night, no power!!
Same here chaps, bloody politician scum every where wrecking it all.
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Nuclear power is very clean and reliable, not like the old days! Wish we had them here in Australia. We have the same crap as Skybird points out, mostly wind and solar, very unreliable, most of our coal power stations have closed down, just imagine days when it is calm, overcast or night, no power!!
Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that coal is still the most commonly used resource in Australia.
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Don't know what for, a lot of the old coal power stations have closed down (still have 21 going I just found out) and certainly no steam trains any more, in fact most of the rail system has gone, another stupid move, the roads are in a shocking state from trucks pounding them. Certainly coal is also used in the steel industry.
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I saw the use of and dependency of coal in Australia was mentioned in the news reports yesterday covering the worldwide climate change protests.
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