[REL] Aces' Super Turms v5.1 and Super Pens v5.1 mods. - Page 3

Aces · 05-03-11, 07:26 AM

Hi folks,

I've been doing some measuring in Maya. According to my finding the whole type 9 boat is too small by a factor of 1.13. At the moment the hull length for example is nearly 10mtrs shorter than RL. The Type 7c by contrast is virtually spot on!.

So I'm going to re-size the whole boat by x1.13 to see what happens. I have a pretty good eye for scaling and my initial guess of x1.15 wasn't far off the money I think.

Should be an interesting side project.

Regards

Aces

Myxale · 05-03-11, 07:44 AM

Indeed the Type 9 boats are down-scaled, for whatever reason.

Please go ahead and beef the baby 9 up. I too am curious how the new type 9 will look.

Oh, on a side note, is this lots of work? And have you looked at the type 2?

Aces · 05-03-11, 08:51 AM

It is ENOUGH work for the time being as i have a few other projects also on the go.

Regards

Aces

Edit: I just did some more measuring and the hull length is pretty spot on for a type 7c, but too short by nearly 10m for a type 9d.

Need some tower measurements to check.

Regards

Aces

LGN1 · 05-03-11, 03:25 PM

Amazing work, Aces

I'm glad that you looked into it. I think it's one of the worst graphical/3d issues in SH3. If you are aware of it and you do a patrol in a type IX boat, it always looks so wrong.

Would be really great if you could fix it. I think all type IX drivers would be very happy with a fix!

Cheers, LGN1

05-03-11, 04:21 PM

Just remember you'll need to move all nodes and such when you re-scale things.

I'll be finishing a few things here before I move on to a different Game and a different forum.
So if I can assist?
I'll do my best in the days remaining.

Aces · 05-04-11, 02:38 AM

Hi chaps,

I have done a lot and discovered exactly what Privateer mentioned about re-poisitioning but I really need to see if there's a precise formula to calculate the new obhject co-ordinates after rescaling eg. a constant factor to multiply x,y,z co-ords by to make re-positioning easy. Then there's the matter of what do you scale, the turm exterior and interior models and the hull model and all directly related objects like ruddders, torpedio tube doors etc. but then you have the DF antenna, UZO (I think I'll have to upscale the UZO because the mount for it is part of one of the turm objects) then there's the periscopes before you get to any of the new turm objects like the MG-34s, mug, helmets etc.. My thinking is that I'll re-scale everything EXCEPT the new turm objects, eg. the MG-34s, helmets, mug, ammo drums etc. as, IMO, they fit in nicely with the crew scaling else you'll have a situation where the crew look in correct proportion to the boat but other objects look too big for the crew.

I did some more last night and I think it looks much beter scaling to fit in with the crew. Generally I'm pleased but that re-positioning formula if there is one would make things more precise. I could combine all objects eg. turm and all related objects eg UZO, periscopes, DF ant etc and then rescale and then split them up, I guess that;s work but be more work.

I'll be back in touch ASAP with more news on the crew figure Jeff, also been testing Turms Your Way 9c1 and it looks great.

Cheers

Aces

Aces · 05-04-11, 03:31 AM

Hiya,

Okay, just worked it out, ,multiply previous x,y and z co-ordinates by re-scaling factor eg. +1.13 and that give precise new co-ords for upscaled object. Simples

Cheers

Aces

Some before and after screenshots for comparison:

I really need some comments on the scaling before I put in lots more hours on this so I'll hold off now until folks post as I don't want to have to do all this work again if required.

Kind regards

Aces

Fubar2Niner · 05-06-11, 10:38 AM

Hi mate

IMHO go for it. I have no drawings/plans to hand but from memory the 9 series was a bigger boot. So if Maya is showing it smaller it would be great to have it adjusted, providing it isn't a too bigger job. Kudos for even taking it on mate

Best regards.

Martin

Magic1111 · 05-09-11, 06:11 AM

Hi Leigh !

I´ve a suggestion in regarding to raise the pennants:

Is it possible that you make a version (maybe included in a forthcoming version of your MOD), that we can raise the pennants when we´re beeing, let say for example, 5 or 10 km BEFORE Homeport and not, as now, ONLY ca. 200 m approaching from pier / Bunker ? Maybe with Anvarts permission. Mmmh, I hope do you know what I mean....?

Best regards,
Magic

Anvart · 05-09-11, 06:16 AM

... using a laser range-finder...

Aces · 05-09-11, 06:21 AM

Hi Magic,

I think Anvart has answered you

Regards

Aces

Magic1111 · 05-09-11, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvart

... using a laser range-finder...

Mmmmh, in the years 1939-1945 laser....????

Okay, what I wanted to ask was only, whether is possible that I can raise my pennants a few kilometers before homeport, and NOT only METERS....

I shut my mouth....

Best regards,
Magic

Aces · 05-09-11, 06:32 AM

Hi mate,

This is Anvart's speciality more than mine, I agree that itn would be nice to have a greater radius than at present. I'd like this if it were possible and I've seen others posting the same. I guess it is hard coded in but Anvart would know better than me.

Regards

Aces

Anvart · 05-09-11, 06:41 AM

Hey, Magic, my friend.
It's joke only.

No offense ...
...
Can do manual control only...
but i think... i, DD, Aces and some "thievish guys" have used all "free" crew commands...
... it's about compatibility.

Magic1111 · 05-09-11, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvart

Hey, Magic, my fried.
It's joke only.

No offense ...

Yes, I know Alex, all is well.....! But in the first moment I doesn´t "detected" the joke....

...
Can do manual control only...
but i think i, DD, Aces and some "thievish guys" have used all "free" crew commands ...

Alex, the Thing is, since first release from your wonderful Flag & Pennants MOD my wish (and from many other guys too) is, that we can raise the pennants not only in port, but a few kilometers before port on sea (as in reality) !

So I hope (and dream) my wish become eventually sometimes true, maybe included in Aces Super-Turm MOD !

Best regards my Friends Alex & Leigh,

Thomas

05-03-11, 07:26 AM	#31
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Hi folks, I've been doing some measuring in Maya. According to my finding the whole type 9 boat is too small by a factor of 1.13. At the moment the hull length for example is nearly 10mtrs shorter than RL. The Type 7c by contrast is virtually spot on!. So I'm going to re-size the whole boat by x1.13 to see what happens. I have a pretty good eye for scaling and my initial guess of x1.15 wasn't far off the money I think. Should be an interesting side project. Regards Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82

05-03-11, 07:44 AM	#32
Myxale Admiral Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PQ AN 25 Posts: 2,178 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Indeed the Type 9 boats are down-scaled, for whatever reason. Please go ahead and beef the baby 9 up. I too am curious how the new type 9 will look. Oh, on a side note, is this lots of work? And have you looked at the type 2? __________________ SH3+GWX SH5+WoS Still Sailing....still Deep

05-03-11, 08:51 AM	#33
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	It is ENOUGH work for the time being as i have a few other projects also on the go. Regards Aces Edit: I just did some more measuring and the hull length is pretty spot on for a type 7c, but too short by nearly 10m for a type 9d. Need some tower measurements to check. Regards Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82 Last edited by Aces; 05-03-11 at 10:15 AM.

05-04-11, 02:38 AM	#36
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Hi chaps, I have done a lot and discovered exactly what Privateer mentioned about re-poisitioning but I really need to see if there's a precise formula to calculate the new obhject co-ordinates after rescaling eg. a constant factor to multiply x,y,z co-ords by to make re-positioning easy. Then there's the matter of what do you scale, the turm exterior and interior models and the hull model and all directly related objects like ruddders, torpedio tube doors etc. but then you have the DF antenna, UZO (I think I'll have to upscale the UZO because the mount for it is part of one of the turm objects) then there's the periscopes before you get to any of the new turm objects like the MG-34s, mug, helmets etc.. My thinking is that I'll re-scale everything EXCEPT the new turm objects, eg. the MG-34s, helmets, mug, ammo drums etc. as, IMO, they fit in nicely with the crew scaling else you'll have a situation where the crew look in correct proportion to the boat but other objects look too big for the crew. I did some more last night and I think it looks much beter scaling to fit in with the crew. Generally I'm pleased but that re-positioning formula if there is one would make things more precise. I could combine all objects eg. turm and all related objects eg UZO, periscopes, DF ant etc and then rescale and then split them up, I guess that;s work but be more work. I'll be back in touch ASAP with more news on the crew figure Jeff, also been testing Turms Your Way 9c1 and it looks great. Cheers Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82

05-04-11, 03:31 AM	#37
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Hiya, Okay, just worked it out, ,multiply previous x,y and z co-ordinates by re-scaling factor eg. +1.13 and that give precise new co-ords for upscaled object. Simples Cheers Aces Some before and after screenshots for comparison: I really need some comments on the scaling before I put in lots more hours on this so I'll hold off now until folks post as I don't want to have to do all this work again if required. Kind regards Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82 Last edited by Aces; 05-04-11 at 05:25 AM.

05-03-11, 03:25 PM	#34
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	Amazing work, Aces I'm glad that you looked into it. I think it's one of the worst graphical/3d issues in SH3. If you are aware of it and you do a patrol in a type IX boat, it always looks so wrong. Would be really great if you could fix it. I think all type IX drivers would be very happy with a fix! Cheers, LGN1

05-03-11, 04:21 PM	#35
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Just remember you'll need to move all nodes and such when you re-scale things. I'll be finishing a few things here before I move on to a different Game and a different forum. So if I can assist? I'll do my best in the days remaining.

05-06-11, 10:38 AM	#38
Fubar2Niner Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London. UK Posts: 4,139 Downloads: 275 Uploads: 0	Hi mate IMHO go for it. I have no drawings/plans to hand but from memory the 9 series was a bigger boot. So if Maya is showing it smaller it would be great to have it adjusted, providing it isn't a too bigger job. Kudos for even taking it on mate Best regards. Martin

05-09-11, 06:11 AM	#39
Magic1111 Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany - Sailing on U-552 in North Atlantic Posts: 4,429 Downloads: 783 Uploads: 0	Suggestion for the Pennants ! Hi Leigh ! I´ve a suggestion in regarding to raise the pennants: Is it possible that you make a version (maybe included in a forthcoming version of your MOD), that we can raise the pennants when we´re beeing, let say for example, 5 or 10 km BEFORE Homeport and not, as now, ONLY ca. 200 m approaching from pier / Bunker ? Maybe with Anvarts permission. Mmmh, I hope do you know what I mean....? Best regards, Magic __________________

05-09-11, 06:16 AM	#40
Anvart Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Russia ® Posts: 2,492 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 1	... using a laser range-finder... __________________ Alex ® Moses said: "Don't create yourself an idol"...

05-09-11, 06:21 AM	#41
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Hi Magic, I think Anvart has answered you Regards Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82

05-09-11, 06:32 AM	#43
Aces Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 211 Uploads: 0	Hi mate, This is Anvart's speciality more than mine, I agree that itn would be nice to have a greater radius than at present. I'd like this if it were possible and I've seen others posting the same. I guess it is hard coded in but Anvart would know better than me. Regards Aces __________________ Gamefront: http://tinyurl.com/bpbaeyl Mediafire: http://tinyurl.com/bn2aoqt YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/clvy94f RSS Feed: http://tinyurl.com/cpbbqv9 Blog: http://tinyurl.com/cv44x82

05-09-11, 06:41 AM	#44
Anvart Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Russia ® Posts: 2,492 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 1	Hey, Magic, my friend. It's joke only. No offense ... ... Can do manual control only... but i think... i, DD, Aces and some "thievish guys" have used all "free" crew commands... ... it's about compatibility. __________________ Alex ® Moses said: "Don't create yourself an idol"... Last edited by Anvart; 05-09-11 at 06:58 AM.