Whats the point of new tanks?

U-Schultz · 08-02-10, 06:03 AM

I own both T-34 v Tiger and SFK42.

Have been away for a while and have just reinstalled both on a new hard drive.

Download mods - specifically for SFK42. New Tanks? Cool!

But what is the point of new tanks if there is no cockpits (commander closed hatch, driver, gunner, etc) for them?
Are you really limited to just the Open hatch commander (standing on top of the tank) view?

Am I doing something wrong?

This is not meant to bad-mouth the modders - god bless them - and I lack the skill to do any modding myself. But if we cannot add cockpits to new additional tanks maybe the focus should be on modding things that have a real impact on the game? The stock units, campaign, etc, etc.

Sledgehammer427 · 08-02-10, 11:47 AM

It's been a gripe of mine too, but I can ignore a flickering cockpit for the opportunity to use a Tiger I in combat in Kharkov.

Combining the Steel Fury engine with some of the tanks I've seen so far, cockpit or not, has basically renewed my game and kept it on my hard drive.

frinik · 08-02-10, 12:49 PM

Well U-Schultz I beg to disagree with you.Having new tanks-armour in the game even without the cockpits adds flavour to the game and allows you to measure yourself against some more lethal tanks and add more suspense and uncertainty to the missions.I make user-made missions and I truly appreciate having a larger menu of vehicles to chose from and testing various models against others. True enough, the simulation aspect is diminished for the hard core sim fans who really want to experiment the various crew positions.However nothing prevents talented modders in the future from making or designing cockpits for those new models.

U-Schultz · 08-03-10, 06:55 AM

Yes, they make great AI units and are sweet for scenario and/or campaign building.

I guess I was speaking from a player point of view.

One thing I have never understood is why a stock cockpit cannot be assigned to a new tank unit. Must be a programming thing I reckon.

frinik · 08-03-10, 12:51 PM

I have asked myself the same question.The only answer I found in one thread was that modders tend to be purists or perfectionists and would rather skip making a "generic fits all" cockpit even if it would be much easier than to make the real one.
However with the new Steel Panzer mod 1.5 about to come otu either new cockpits will be added or it will be a matter of time until somebody tackles the problem and creates new ones for the new models.Just hang on and be patient. It will come.

Sledgehammer427 · 08-04-10, 09:46 PM

well, one problem I've found in the Steel Fury series and adding a stock cockpit or stock what have you into a new tank is that they are all kinda connected. the interior is connected with the exterior in game so that you get the feeling of popping out the hatch, and then jumping back in, the ventilation flaps on the Panzer IV's turret (so far the only tank that has been replicated with a stock cockpit)
because the interior has openings, the modder will have to precisely fit the openings with the openings on the exterior model. lots of trial and error and much easier to just leave the cockpit out of the equation and give the player the bare essentials until somebody with a lot of spare time can make a cockpit for every tank added in the game

08-02-10, 06:03 AM	#1
U-Schultz Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Atlantic Posts: 162 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Whats the point of new tanks? I own both T-34 v Tiger and SFK42. Have been away for a while and have just reinstalled both on a new hard drive. Download mods - specifically for SFK42. New Tanks? Cool! But what is the point of new tanks if there is no cockpits (commander closed hatch, driver, gunner, etc) for them? Are you really limited to just the Open hatch commander (standing on top of the tank) view? Am I doing something wrong? This is not meant to bad-mouth the modders - god bless them - and I lack the skill to do any modding myself. But if we cannot add cockpits to new additional tanks maybe the focus should be on modding things that have a real impact on the game? The stock units, campaign, etc, etc. __________________ Theres nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot

08-02-10, 11:47 AM	#2
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	It's been a gripe of mine too, but I can ignore a flickering cockpit for the opportunity to use a Tiger I in combat in Kharkov. Combining the Steel Fury engine with some of the tanks I've seen so far, cockpit or not, has basically renewed my game and kept it on my hard drive. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-02-10, 12:49 PM	#3
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	cockpits Well U-Schultz I beg to disagree with you.Having new tanks-armour in the game even without the cockpits adds flavour to the game and allows you to measure yourself against some more lethal tanks and add more suspense and uncertainty to the missions.I make user-made missions and I truly appreciate having a larger menu of vehicles to chose from and testing various models against others. True enough, the simulation aspect is diminished for the hard core sim fans who really want to experiment the various crew positions.However nothing prevents talented modders in the future from making or designing cockpits for those new models.

08-03-10, 06:55 AM	#4
U-Schultz Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Atlantic Posts: 162 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Yes, they make great AI units and are sweet for scenario and/or campaign building. I guess I was speaking from a player point of view. One thing I have never understood is why a stock cockpit cannot be assigned to a new tank unit. Must be a programming thing I reckon. __________________ Theres nothing wrong with a little shooting as long as the right people get shot

08-03-10, 12:51 PM	#5
frinik Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	New Cockpits I have asked myself the same question.The only answer I found in one thread was that modders tend to be purists or perfectionists and would rather skip making a "generic fits all" cockpit even if it would be much easier than to make the real one. However with the new Steel Panzer mod 1.5 about to come otu either new cockpits will be added or it will be a matter of time until somebody tackles the problem and creates new ones for the new models.Just hang on and be patient. It will come.

08-04-10, 09:46 PM	#6
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	well, one problem I've found in the Steel Fury series and adding a stock cockpit or stock what have you into a new tank is that they are all kinda connected. the interior is connected with the exterior in game so that you get the feeling of popping out the hatch, and then jumping back in, the ventilation flaps on the Panzer IV's turret (so far the only tank that has been replicated with a stock cockpit) because the interior has openings, the modder will have to precisely fit the openings with the openings on the exterior model. lots of trial and error and much easier to just leave the cockpit out of the equation and give the player the bare essentials until somebody with a lot of spare time can make a cockpit for every tank added in the game __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!