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Raptor1 · 07-07-09, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Why would the 109 be more versatile than the the 190?

The 190 can take out bombers relatively easy. If flown correctly it can also dogfight most opponents (granted the Il2 version is castrated and can hardly deal with Spitfires if engaged at the same altitude while the real life counterpart ate the Spit MK V for breakfast). It is better in the ground attack role too. The air cooled radial engine can take more damage than the in line DB 600s of the 109 and it carries more bombs, guns and ammo. So what does make the 109 more versatile?

The 109 doesn't stall in every single ground attack run or turning dogfight

And don't give me all that "flown correctly" nonsense, the fact that you have to fly it in a certain way makes it less versatile

Schroeder · 07-07-09, 03:45 PM

If you say so.

Raptor1 · 07-07-09, 03:53 PM

Of course, I'm a bomber pilot, so whatever I say might be nonsense

Fincuan · 07-07-09, 05:03 PM

Almost every aircraft has to be "flown correctly", or in a certain way, to be effective. A Mustang in IL2 just isn't a turn-fighter, but correctly flown is almost untouchable against its Luftwaffe opponents. A 109 doesn't like high-speeds, you all know how the controls lock up from 400km/h upwards, while an FW-190 loves these kind of speeds. There just isn't any single aircraft good for every flying style. Oleg's representation of the Russian wonders(La-7 ftw

) is probably the closest thing.

Oberon · 07-07-09, 06:01 PM

At the end of the day I guess it comes down to comfort with flying styles, Raptor is a bomber man, I like the stable but slow fighters and others like the high speed interceptors.
I guess the Lolwaffles have all the bases covered then at least!

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 07-07-09, 09:27 PM

Don't forget that a plane like the P-51 started out as a ground attack aircraft because the powerplant gave poor performance at high altitudes, it was only until the British put the Rolls Royce Merlin in the P-51 was its true calling as a high altitude escort was realized. The FW-190 was orignally built with one purpose in mind which was a high speed fighter aircraft to out match anything the allies had at the time. I will say this in the catigories of speed and handling the P-51 and FW190 are an even match. If we do fly an all 190 mission again I'm sitting it out.

XabbaRus · 07-08-09, 05:13 AM

I must say that now I have the hang of the 190 I'll take it over a 109

Even at slow dogfighting speeds I can take on a Spit...I just found that you have to ease into a turn with the elevators....

If you yank even at high speed you get an accelerated stall.

190 for me given the choice.

HunterICX · 07-08-09, 06:13 AM

I take what suits best for the role

for example if we have to intercept Bombers with escorts I take the FW190
for a Fightersweep or escort duty I would take a BF109.

HunterICX

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 07-08-09, 12:06 PM

I still like the 190 its just that I've been flying the 109 for too long. I tryed a few take-off and landing practices with the 190, the landing I don't have a problem with, its the take-off because the 190 is higher off the ground than the 109. I can take off with the external view on but I don't think Hunter will change that of just on pilot.

Schroeder · 07-08-09, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

I still like the 190 its just that I've been flying the 109 for too long. I tryed a few take-off and landing practices with the 190, the landing I don't have a problem with, its the take-off because the 190 is higher off the ground than the 109. I can take off with the external view on but I don't think Hunter will change that of just on pilot.

Wait until you reach 200 km/h (120 mph) and pull the stick slightly back. It will take off nicely.

Kratos · 07-13-09, 04:52 PM

Apologies guys! needed to exit sharply tonight..Real life Dictates over Virtual time.

XabbaRus · 07-13-09, 05:06 PM

I will be out of action for a bit, I'll try and fly maybe once a week.

Working on a little project which you shall be appraised of once I have something good to show apart from the little I have done up to now.

Task Force · 07-13-09, 05:13 PM

could it be a nuke...

Kratos · 07-13-09, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I will be out of action for a bit, I'll try and fly maybe once a week.

Working on a little project which you shall be appraised of once I have something good to show apart from the little I have done up to now.

This thread is worthless without pics or vids ....

Task Force · 07-13-09, 05:21 PM

but its just a post no a thread... If he starts a thread then you could say that...
instead it should be...
That post is worthless without picturess or videos...

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07-07-09, 09:27 PM	#111
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,244 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Don't forget that a plane like the P-51 started out as a ground attack aircraft because the powerplant gave poor performance at high altitudes, it was only until the British put the Rolls Royce Merlin in the P-51 was its true calling as a high altitude escort was realized. The FW-190 was orignally built with one purpose in mind which was a high speed fighter aircraft to out match anything the allies had at the time. I will say this in the catigories of speed and handling the P-51 and FW190 are an even match. If we do fly an all 190 mission again I'm sitting it out. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

07-08-09, 05:13 AM	#112
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I must say that now I have the hang of the 190 I'll take it over a 109 Even at slow dogfighting speeds I can take on a Spit...I just found that you have to ease into a turn with the elevators.... If you yank even at high speed you get an accelerated stall. 190 for me given the choice. __________________

07-08-09, 06:13 AM	#113
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I take what suits best for the role for example if we have to intercept Bombers with escorts I take the FW190 for a Fightersweep or escort duty I would take a BF109. HunterICX __________________

07-07-09, 05:03 PM	#109
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Almost every aircraft has to be "flown correctly", or in a certain way, to be effective. A Mustang in IL2 just isn't a turn-fighter, but correctly flown is almost untouchable against its Luftwaffe opponents. A 109 doesn't like high-speeds, you all know how the controls lock up from 400km/h upwards, while an FW-190 loves these kind of speeds. There just isn't any single aircraft good for every flying style. Oleg's representation of the Russian wonders(La-7 ftw ) is probably the closest thing.

07-07-09, 06:01 PM	#110
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	At the end of the day I guess it comes down to comfort with flying styles, Raptor is a bomber man, I like the stable but slow fighters and others like the high speed interceptors. I guess the Lolwaffles have all the bases covered then at least!

07-08-09, 12:06 PM	#114
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,244 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I still like the 190 its just that I've been flying the 109 for too long. I tryed a few take-off and landing practices with the 190, the landing I don't have a problem with, its the take-off because the 190 is higher off the ground than the 109. I can take off with the external view on but I don't think Hunter will change that of just on pilot. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

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Kratos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,267 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Apologies guys! needed to exit sharply tonight..Real life Dictates over Virtual time. __________________

07-13-09, 05:06 PM	#117
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I will be out of action for a bit, I'll try and fly maybe once a week. Working on a little project which you shall be appraised of once I have something good to show apart from the little I have done up to now. __________________

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07-13-09, 05:21 PM	#120
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	but its just a post no a thread... If he starts a thread then you could say that... instead it should be... That post is worthless without picturess or videos... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"