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Old 06-03-2020, 11:00 AM   #151
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I read Breitbart for the news articles, not the opinions. ...
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Hmm, really? We thought you read it for the centerfolds...



It looks like Defense Secretary Mark Esper is moving further along the road to unemployment over the civil unrest issue:


Defense secretary opposes deploying active troops following Trump threat --

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...rotests-298314


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Defense Secretary Mark Esper declared on Wednesday his opposition to sending active-duty troops into U.S. cities to deal with violent protesters, two days after President Donald Trump threatened to do so if governors don't call up National Guard troops.

"The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most urgent and dire situations. We are not in one of those situations right now," Esper said in his first public comments since the protests erupted.

"I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act," Esper said, referring to the president's authority to deploy active-duty troops to respond to protests.






Expect a Trump tweet storm any time now...






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Old 06-03-2020, 11:49 AM   #152
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Since Trump is the centre of gravity and the navel of the universe, its important to know that he unfortunately can call in troops.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52893540

Whether he would potliclaly and practically survive it, is somehtign different, but as the German proverb goes: "Ist de rRuf erst ruiniert, lebt's sich gänzlich ungeniert." (if your reputaiton is spilked anyway, you can misbehave without any scurples.)
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:50 AM   #153
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Hmm, really? We thought you read it for the centerfolds...




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you are dating yourself there, although considering the average age around here, I am sure most get the pun.

p.s. - is anyone else tired of following the news? I find I am increasingly tuning out.
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:58 AM   #154
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PITTSBURGH — There was a sign of positivity at protests in East Liberty Sunday evening.
State Troopers spent the afternoon standing in a parking lot at the Target store in the area.



A protester named Alexander Cash brought a case of water to the Troopers, thanking them.


"I know you guys are out here doing your jobs. I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the ones that are doing it to us, do you understand? We came out here peaceful, and that's what I'm trying to show ya'll," said Cash as he opened the case of water for them.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:00 PM   #155
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Old 06-03-2020, 04:19 PM   #156
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The fact that you compare media like Vox to far-right hate media like "Breitbart" speaks volumes. Look at what you hear in witness reports, see in films, personal videos and what is now erupting all over the internet. Hard to deny.

To you it's never Right but FAR Right and never Media but HATE Media. Vox is every bit as hateful and biased as Breitbart but you just won't see it.
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:03 PM   #157
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Going a little off topic
I have by studying my friends throughout the years come to the conclusion

Which reliable news source a person trust...depends mostly on this persons
political standpoints.

An example
A very good friend of mine, who are more right wing than I'm, post only well mostly article from Breitbart, Gates of Vienna and other alt-right media.

If I post an article from CNN or from some other MSM as source I get the message from this friend...they can't be trusted they all lie to you.

The same goes for my dear friend who is far left(this person is a non-violent person, if you wonder)
This person only or mostly post article from left wing news paper from Denmark.

Which made me conclude.

Which news source a person see as reliable depends on their political standpoints.
(I could be wrong)

End of going a little off topic

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Old 06-03-2020, 05:41 PM   #158
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Well, it's official.

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison is filing Additional charges against Derek Chauvin. Chauvin had been originally charged with 3rd degree murder and Manslaughter. An additional murder in the 2nd degree has now been filed against Chauvin in addition to the charges he already faces.

In addition, aiding and abetting second-degree murder and manslaughter charges have been filed against the other 3 officers involved in the murder of George Floyd. Thomas Lane and J. Alexander Kueng, who helped restrain Floyd, and Tou Thao, who stood near the others, were not initially charged. Lane, 37, Kueng, 26, and Thao, 34, are now charged with aiding and abetting second-degree murder and aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/ge...ges/index.html

In addition, It is expected that federal hate crime charges will also be filed against all 4 of these former officers. These boys could be facing the dealth penalty for their role in the murder of George Floyd. This is welcome news to everyone except the former officers themselves.
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Old 06-03-2020, 05:52 PM   #159
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^ this have made me wonder.

Right now we are witness to riot in many cities in USA.

What would happen if the verdict they get are...let say less than a couple of years.

Will we see more riot in the Street ?

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Old 06-03-2020, 06:07 PM   #160
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Keep on forgetting this important question

Can the President of USA order the military to take action on American soil ?
(sounds wrong, I hope you understand my question anyway)

Some of the news here in Denmark and Sweden say he can't he hasn't the right to do so.

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Old 06-03-2020, 06:51 PM   #161
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Yes he can. The applicable statutes are 10 U.S.C sections 252 and 253.



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Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.

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The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it— (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

The insurrection act, which this US Code is based on, is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.



The applicable text of the Posse Commitus Act (18 USC section 1385) is


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“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.


The insurrection act is an Act of Congress and therefore is exempt from the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act.



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Old 06-03-2020, 06:58 PM   #162
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I know I know it iss considered to be politically incorrect to tell jokes on blondes, but this stupid hollow-headed girlie is blonde and babbles so much empty trash that she fulfills every, really every cliché about blondes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...urchill-in-ww2


America now offers the UK an apology for that infame comparison. All what Churchill was as statesman and as private man and artist - Trump is none of that.
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^ this have made me wonder.

Right now we are witness to riot in many cities in USA.

What would happen if the verdict they get are...let say less than a couple of years.

Will we see more riot in the Street ?

Markus
That's a good possibility, Markus. Still, With strong video evidence such as this, it's not likely. The Attorney General took their time in making sure they could make the case stick in court. With the world wide publicity, the 4 former officers would have to have their case heard on another planet for this incident not to be known by a jury of their peers.

I'm sure the defendants will try to plea bargain but with as strong as the evidence is against them, I would be surprised if prosecutors would be interested in plea bargaining anything unless it's taking a potential death penalty off the table in exchange for a guilty plea.

Chauvin is 46 so it's unlikely he will ever see the outside again if convicted of all the charges against him. The other 3 are also looking at a lot of years behind bars if convicted. The other 3 officers face the same sentences as Chauvin, if convicted since they are viewed as equal participants in the murder of George Floyd.

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That's a good possibility, Markus. Still, With strong video evidence such as this, it's not likely. The Attorney General took their time in making sure they could make the case stick in court. With the world wide publicity, the 4 former officers would have to have their case heard on another planet for this incident not to be known by a jury of their peers.

I'm sure the defendants will try to plea bargain but with as strong as the evidence is against them, I would be surprised if prosecutors would be interested in plea bargaining anything unless it's taking a potential death penalty off the table in exchange for a guilty plea.

Chauvin is 46 so it's unlikely he will ever see the outside again if convicted of all the charges against him. The other 3 are also looking at a lot of years behind bars if convicted.
Whats your assessment - will it become a formally fair trial, or a slaughtering of potlical pawns to satisfy the crowd? The case against Chauvin's role is apparently beyond doubt, but the others - will they get fair punishemnt for their role in it, or will they be sacrificed by excessive verdicts to get the road silent again?

I honestly don'T know and do not dare to assess this from my side, so I am just asking.
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The attempt by Trump to politicise the military can easily become one of the many serious damages that will outlast his time in office by long years to come after him.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...h-trump-297820

The military must resist to make the same mistake the Wehrmacht made regarding Hitler. It shall not, under no circumstances, allow to get abused for personal interests of the leader.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-trump/596665/


This ^Admiral Mattis said recently: "Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us." (...)"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."
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