[REL] Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate, full release - Page 319

Mad Mardigan · 06-20-22, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hunter301

Been using the T key to bring it online and all though the crew member /narrator of the game tells me it's online when I go to it I see nothing in the scope.

Was able to download and save your .pdf to my external HD I keep for game videos and such will read it at work tomorrow...LOL.

As for refueling in ports under normal circumstances how would this take place?

Believe that (as well as the reprovisioning of AA & DG ammo/torps...) is getting in close until you see a pop up menu, that asks if you wish to refit... as I recall.

If you are at your home base/port... that pop up menu should also include an option to dock, if you so choose to do so...

Again, if I am remembering that, correctly...

M. M.

hunter301 · 06-20-22, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

Believe that (as well as the reprovisioning of AA & DG ammo/torps...) is getting in close until you see a pop up menu, that asks if you wish to refit... as I recall.

If you are at your home base/port... that pop up menu should also include an option to dock, if you so choose to do so...

Again, if I am remembering that, correctly...

M. M.

I was pretty close to the docks.
Any closer and I would have been drydocked..lol.
Maybe because I slipped in unannounced around 1:00 am and everybody was asleep.

hunter301 · 06-20-22, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

As for Wounded Bear, if I remember correctly (not at the game right now) is mid-1942, and Darwin was bombed into oblivion in February, and would still be out of service as far as a base for fueling goes.

For a base bombed into oblivion it was in pretty good looking shape when I came in. Or is that not modelled accurately?

propbeanie · 06-20-22, 08:26 AM

Answering all your questions hunter301 (unless oldmanitis strikes and I forget one...

), but with the SD radar, it does NOT show on the radar screens... I can hear you with a "say whuh?? Why would you guys do that???" and the reply is, that is the way the game is built, for whatever reason. Even though you do not have SJ radar at the time of the Hunt For Wounded Bear patrol, the "consoles" are still visible. So you see the A-Scope view, with the green screen, and the PPI screen view, with the orange circle and the degree markers, and you have to pretend that those pieces of equipment are NOT in your conning tower, even though you accidentally run into them every time you try to move around the periscopes, AND... the stations are "manned"... The only display indication for the SD radar is on the NavMap, which if you want to run with Map Contacts off, really cripples your ability to conduct anti-aircraft operations by avoidance... "Radar contact bear-..." "CRASH DIVE!!!" "Yes sir! yes sir! yes sir!!!" There is no easy-to-see indicator for the SD radar condition either, as to whether it is on or off, except by that text box prompt. This is one (of several) areas of the game where Silent Hunter (the original SSI game) was light years ahead of SH4.

As for re-fueling at ports, the US subs in SH4 can only fuel at US Naval Bases, indicated by the Anchor icons, with your Home Port being the "fouled" anchor, with the rope tangled in it, and the anchor sitting at an angle. You cannot find fuel anywhere else, even if holding the port master at gun point, and no matter the hour that you slip into the harbor. Fuel and ammunition is available only at Naval Bases for the player.

As for the Darwin port itselfe, it is very difficult to "model" any port in the game. I was for a while, making clones of ships, but in a "sunken" condition to pepper about the harbor, but then there are the docks that do not take damage, and the cranes continue to function ad infinitum ad nauseum, and personnel and vehicles wandering about the place, remarkably unconcerned about the Japanese bombers that had attached, or could potentially attack again at any moment. So the "sunken" ships, with smoke or not, look a bit ridiculous, so I quit attempting to do that. For a hint of what it looks like, do a start in Pearl Harbor at the very beginning of the war, and while you'll see the four battleships in sunken states on Battleship Row, nothing else around is damaged, with all sorts of dock activity going on all about the place. It is what it is because of the way the game is built, so we just removed most of the ships (hopefully) at Darwin, and then filter them back in over time. You'll notice that the NavalBase anchor is there at the start of the game (Career Mode), but is just a "plain" harbor then from 19th February, 1942 (the day of the IJN Strike Force attack) until near the end of August, 1943. These are definitely "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" moments...

hunter301 · 06-20-22, 08:41 AM

Fortunately I run with map contacts on so from what you are saying that automatically gives me air contacts.
As for the anchors indicating friendly bases I was not aware of this.
Thanks for the heads up.
It has been a few years since I played the game. I saw a Youtube video on the FOTRS mod and just had to try it.
The oceans in the daytime are incredible and being able to move around in the sub at will makes it all that much more real. Can't remember that being a feature in the original game. It has brought a whole new light to the game.

I can fully understand the issues and difficulties with the modelling of bases.
Probably has a lot to do with source codes that we have no access to.

propbeanie · 06-20-22, 08:51 AM

Yes, and the controllers for the animations. It would be nice to set it up to where a crane does not move unless a ship is docked near it, and perhaps have a way to trigger the vehicle movements somehow, but alas... complexity, and Ubi wanted the game out the door... lol -

I think you just helped come up with another idea... My art skills are sadly lacking though... but it might just work.

KaleunMarco · 06-20-22, 10:35 AM

Hey Guys,

Why am i getting chased out of Manila Bay by IJN Destroyers in early June 1945? (lol)

propbeanie · 06-20-22, 12:44 PM

Say whuh?? KM? June of 1945, and the shore guns are red also...

- it looks like we took a step back in time on the Jap_CoastalBattery in the area, to the Stock game days... As for the Jap_HarborTraffic, it is supposed to all end by 1st of February 1945... There are apparently a few "loop" settings too many... dig dig dig. Thanks for the heads-up!

hunter301 · 06-20-22, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Say whuh?? KM? June of 1945, and the shore guns are red also...

- it looks like we took a step back in time on the Jap_CoastalBattery in the area, to the Stock game days... As for the Jap_HarborTraffic, it is supposed to all end by 1st of February 1945... There are apparently a few "loop" settings too many... dig dig dig. Thanks for the heads-up!

Sounds like the makings for a new update..

KaleunMarco · 06-20-22, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Say whuh?? KM? June of 1945, and the shore guns are red also...

- it looks like we took a step back in time on the Jap_CoastalBattery in the area, to the Stock game days... As for the Jap_HarborTraffic, it is supposed to all end by 1st of February 1945... There are apparently a few "loop" settings too many... dig dig dig. Thanks for the heads-up!

lol.
i was heading full steam into Manila to check out the concrete battleship, which i had never noticed previously, when all of a sudden i'm getting ship sighted reports. i was not looking at the Nav Map at the time and i keep getting these reports. i move to the Nav Map and, it took a couple of seconds for the RED icons to register in my brain. Time to di-di.
as we were GFOT, i remembered to snap a screen so's i could tweek your tail feathers about it.

Hitman · 06-22-22, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Say whuh?? KM? June of 1945, and the shore guns are red also...

- it looks like we took a step back in time on the Jap_CoastalBattery in the area, to the Stock game days... As for the Jap_HarborTraffic, it is supposed to all end by 1st of February 1945... There are apparently a few "loop" settings too many... dig dig dig. Thanks for the heads-up!

You guys added Hiroo Onoda to the game!!! You rock

propbeanie · 06-22-22, 10:22 AM

... and a few of his IJN buddies too!

We conducted an exorcism early this morning... nearly burnt down the house with the candles when I fahrted (that's old-man talk for 'oh so much more than a fart'), but the groups, which were a mixture of mostly smaller merchant vessels with some appropriate escort types do not stay beyond their appointed demise (hopefully) for the (again, hopefully) soon-to-be-released next version, of which we must thank all of the mod users, especially KaleunMarco and torpedobait for more than capably filling cdrsubron7's "issue-finder" shoes... Currently performing final checks, but I do still have to give our "bug-reports" section another going over to make certain we didn't miss something else that was already reported...

KaleunMarco · 06-22-22, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

You guys added Hiroo Onoda to the game!!! You rock

this went over my head....i had to look it up.

KaleunMarco · 06-22-22, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

of which we must thank all of the mod users, especially KaleunMarco and torpedobait for more than capably filling cdrsubron7's "issue-finder" shoes.

maybe i should change my title from Ocean Warrior to something like yours:

Finding holes....it's not just a job.

nionios · 06-23-22, 09:48 AM

I often experience the double cursor(gold and white) glitch.It's not much a problem but frustrating.

06-20-22, 08:26 AM	#4774
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Answering all your questions hunter301 (unless oldmanitis strikes and I forget one... ), but with the SD radar, it does NOT show on the radar screens... I can hear you with a "say whuh?? Why would you guys do that???" and the reply is, that is the way the game is built, for whatever reason. Even though you do not have SJ radar at the time of the Hunt For Wounded Bear patrol, the "consoles" are still visible. So you see the A-Scope view, with the green screen, and the PPI screen view, with the orange circle and the degree markers, and you have to pretend that those pieces of equipment are NOT in your conning tower, even though you accidentally run into them every time you try to move around the periscopes, AND... the stations are "manned"... The only display indication for the SD radar is on the NavMap, which if you want to run with Map Contacts off, really cripples your ability to conduct anti-aircraft operations by avoidance... "Radar contact bear-..." "CRASH DIVE!!!" "Yes sir! yes sir! yes sir!!!" There is no easy-to-see indicator for the SD radar condition either, as to whether it is on or off, except by that text box prompt. This is one (of several) areas of the game where Silent Hunter (the original SSI game) was light years ahead of SH4. As for re-fueling at ports, the US subs in SH4 can only fuel at US Naval Bases, indicated by the Anchor icons, with your Home Port being the "fouled" anchor, with the rope tangled in it, and the anchor sitting at an angle. You cannot find fuel anywhere else, even if holding the port master at gun point, and no matter the hour that you slip into the harbor. Fuel and ammunition is available only at Naval Bases for the player. As for the Darwin port itselfe, it is very difficult to "model" any port in the game. I was for a while, making clones of ships, but in a "sunken" condition to pepper about the harbor, but then there are the docks that do not take damage, and the cranes continue to function ad infinitum ad nauseum, and personnel and vehicles wandering about the place, remarkably unconcerned about the Japanese bombers that had attached, or could potentially attack again at any moment. So the "sunken" ships, with smoke or not, look a bit ridiculous, so I quit attempting to do that. For a hint of what it looks like, do a start in Pearl Harbor at the very beginning of the war, and while you'll see the four battleships in sunken states on Battleship Row, nothing else around is damaged, with all sorts of dock activity going on all about the place. It is what it is because of the way the game is built, so we just removed most of the ships (hopefully) at Darwin, and then filter them back in over time. You'll notice that the NavalBase anchor is there at the start of the game (Career Mode), but is just a "plain" harbor then from 19th February, 1942 (the day of the IJN Strike Force attack) until near the end of August, 1943. These are definitely "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" moments... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-20-22, 08:41 AM	#4775
hunter301 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Central Florida, USA Posts: 377 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Fortunately I run with map contacts on so from what you are saying that automatically gives me air contacts. As for the anchors indicating friendly bases I was not aware of this. Thanks for the heads up. It has been a few years since I played the game. I saw a Youtube video on the FOTRS mod and just had to try it. The oceans in the daytime are incredible and being able to move around in the sub at will makes it all that much more real. Can't remember that being a feature in the original game. It has brought a whole new light to the game. I can fully understand the issues and difficulties with the modelling of bases. Probably has a lot to do with source codes that we have no access to. __________________ "Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land."- The Lawgiver "You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I get and beat you with till you understand who's in command." -ME

06-20-22, 08:51 AM	#4776
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Yes, and the controllers for the animations. It would be nice to set it up to where a crane does not move unless a ship is docked near it, and perhaps have a way to trigger the vehicle movements somehow, but alas... complexity, and Ubi wanted the game out the door... lol - I think you just helped come up with another idea... My art skills are sadly lacking though... but it might just work. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-20-22, 10:35 AM	#4777
KaleunMarco Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chicago area, which is more dangerous than Omaha Beach. Posts: 3,910 Downloads: 433 Uploads: 27	IJN Ships in Manila June 9 ,1945 Hey Guys, Why am i getting chased out of Manila Bay by IJN Destroyers in early June 1945? (lol) __________________ there are only two things in the world: submarines and targets. Fortis et stabilis et fidelis, semper ------------------------------------------------------------ Silent Hunter 4 1.5 Gold Edition on CDROM LAA enabled Dell XPS with 32 GB Ram running Win10

06-20-22, 12:44 PM	#4778
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Say whuh?? KM? June of 1945, and the shore guns are red also... - it looks like we took a step back in time on the Jap_CoastalBattery in the area, to the Stock game days... As for the Jap_HarborTraffic, it is supposed to all end by 1st of February 1945... There are apparently a few "loop" settings too many... dig dig dig. Thanks for the heads-up! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-22-22, 10:22 AM	#4782
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,742 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	... and a few of his IJN buddies too! We conducted an exorcism early this morning... nearly burnt down the house with the candles when I fahrted (that's old-man talk for 'oh so much more than a fart'), but the groups, which were a mixture of mostly smaller merchant vessels with some appropriate escort types do not stay beyond their appointed demise (hopefully) for the (again, hopefully) soon-to-be-released next version, of which we must thank all of the mod users, especially KaleunMarco and torpedobait for more than capably filling cdrsubron7's "issue-finder" shoes... Currently performing final checks, but I do still have to give our "bug-reports" section another going over to make certain we didn't miss something else that was already reported... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

06-23-22, 09:48 AM	#4785
nionios Sparky Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 150 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I often experience the double cursor(gold and white) glitch.It's not much a problem but frustrating.