Hamas launches war on Israel

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Israeli forces fire at UN peacekeeper positions in south Lebanon, peacekeepers say

Well that's what happens when You stand in the way of War.

Freaking UN is so Yesterday.

[Skybird]

In the past and at the time of the last Lebanon war 2006 (?) UN observers communicated their observations of Israeli troop movements over open unprotected communication nets that Hezbollah was able tpo overwatch, and the UN knew it and stuck with it even after the Israelis complained about their UN troops this way becoming a party and no longer being neutral. So the Israeli started to demolition observation posts and ramming APC troop carriers off the street with tanks and IFVs. Wide grin on my face back then.


This time some media say that UN observation cameras have something to do with it.


Its the UN in the Holy Land, stupid. Biased. Aligned with Israel's enemies. Filled up to the upper rim of its lower lip with double standards.

The UN troops in that place are just a carricature of their once given mission. They should be withdrawn immediately, and already many years ago.

[mapuc]

If a war should break out between Israel and Iran it would mean the end of Putin, according to this video



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[Jimbuna]

'Tension in Israel is at fever pitch while waiting for Benjamin Netanyahu's next move'

Everybody in Israel is talking about its spectacular intelligence coups against Iran’s attempts to wage proxy war against it.

It is now obvious that in very high places deep inside Tehran’s military and intelligence machine there are disastrous leaks. The disappearance of Iran’s Quds force commander Esmail Qaani may mean he has been seized as a suspected mole.

If that is the case then he may have been the most senior inside man Israel has penetrating the Tehran security machine. And if this is true then it is one of the biggest counter-intelligence blunders of modern Iran’s history - as far as we know.

The death of Hassan Nasrallah and his successor Hashem Sadieddine a week later in bunker blasts in Beirut reveal how wide open Israel has blown Hezbollah’s security. These deaths, the James Bond-style walkie talkie and pager blasts in Lebanon indicate years of sophisticated penetration of Tehran’s proxy.

Even the former Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was killed in Tehran, blown up in his guest apartment whilst a guest of the regime. Of course people still wonder how on earth Israeli intelligence failed so spectacularly to notice Hamas gearing up for the October 7 attacks.

All of this will feed into Israel’s calculations on how to respond to Iran’s 200-strong missile attack more than week ago, albeit a largely unsuccessful one. Iran has warned Israel an attack on its nuclear installations will be a red line - but Israel may assess that with Hezbollah and other proxies so wounded, Iran is weakened.

And if what we are hearing about a mole inside Iran being seized, Israel may take years to build up as big an intelligence trove as it has displayed recently. Plus - any other insiders may have to become inactive to avoid detections as there is now massive investigation into who has been talking to Israel.

It is hard to imagine that for a hardliner such Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this will not be the perfect opportunity to degrade Iran’s nuclear ambitions. The US has warned against such a move, in the belief that it will explode the Middle East into a much wider and devastating conflict.

But Israel has to do something and that is now imminent many believe. The target could include Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and this would be a very strategically beneficial move, taking pressure of Israel, which is fighting seven fronts.

Gas and other power installations being hit would be a big move but it will also hit the civilian population - so that may not be favourable. And of course there is taking out the Iranian leadership which, unless overwhelmingly decisive as in its entire leadership, may lead the Middle East into a major war.

In Israel the tension is now at fever pitch as everyone is waiting for Netanyahu’s next move. But the crucial element of this bloody and disastrous chess game for civilians will be Iran’s response.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...ddc145ca&ei=33

[Exocet25fr]

Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?

https://archive.ph/kFmFP#selection-753.448-753.481

Greater israel Map

https://static.mediapart.fr/etmagine...ter-israel.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Israel Warns South Lebanon Residents To 'Not Return'

Israel warned residents of south Lebanon "not to return" to their homes on Saturday as Hezbollah said it launched missiles across the border on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

In cities around Israel, markets were closed and public transport halted as observant Jews fasted and prayed.

But with the country at war, troops remained engaged in combat in Hamas-run Gaza and in southern Lebanon, a traditional Hezbollah stronghold, amid a firestorm of criticism over the wounding of four UN peacekeepers.

In a message addressed to south Lebanese, Israeli military spokesman Avichay Adraee wrote on X: "For your own protection, do not return to your homes until further notice... Do not go south; anyone who goes south may put his life at risk."

The war between Israel and Hezbollah has since September 23 killed more than 1,200 people in Lebanon, according to an AFP tally of Lebanese health ministry figures, and forced more than a million to flee their homes.

On Saturday, Hezbollah said it had launched missiles at an Israeli army base near the northern city of Haifa.

In a statement the group said its fighters were "targeting the explosives factory there with a salvo of... missiles".

Air raid sirens sounded in northern Israel, with the Israeli military saying it had intercepted a projectile launched from Lebanon.

Israel began pounding Gaza shortly after suffering its worst ever attacks from Iran-backed Hamas militants on October 7 last year, and it launched a ground offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon on September 30.

After the Yom Kippur holiday, attention is likely to turn again to Israel's expected retaliation against Iran, which launched around 200 missiles at Israel on October 1.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...bef45587&ei=28

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?

https://archive.ph/kFmFP#selection-753.448-753.481

Greater israel Map

https://static.mediapart.fr/etmagine...ter-israel.jpg

I think that those extreme orthodox parties believe in this if they feel seriously threatened, lebensraum is always the default option.

[Catfish]

Palestine and Israel are hating each other way longer than "half a century", and Israel was in no way 'better' than its enemies. After the Balfour declaration it only got worse, probably because the following action did not follow the paper's initial intention.
"The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's wishes and interests should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights."

As Netanjahu rightly said, there are already 22 arabian states, but this does not justify the taking of foreign land and illegally build settlements there.
If we are back in fighting with teeth and claws without international law, without the UN, and the right of the strongest to dictate .. we are right back in the middle ages. Even worse, because primitive behaviour with new weapons at hand will turn all into a giant rubble.

[Skybird]

[Exocet25fr]

If there are YOUR HOME......! your reactions......

Personaly I enter into resistance and you say I'm a terrorist....!

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[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

If there are YOUR HOME......! your reactions......

Personaly I enter into resistance and you say I'm a terrorist....!

https://i0.wp.com/reseauinternationa...-127.png?ssl=1

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

That's a catchy phrase, but also misleading. Freedom fighters do not need to terrorize a population into submission. Freedom fighters target the military forces and the organized instruments of repression keeping dictatorial regimes in power. Freedom fighters struggle to liberate their citizens from oppression and to establish a form of government that reflects the will of the people. Now, this is not to say that those who are fighting for freedom are perfect or that we should ignore problems arising from passion and conflict. Nevertheless, one has to be blind, ignorant, or simply unwilling to see the truth if he or she is unable to distinguish between those I just described and terrorists. Terrorists intentionally kill or maim unarmed civilians, often women and children, often third parties who are not in any way part of a dictatorial regime. Terrorists are always the enemies of democracy. Luckily, the world is shaking free from its lethargy and moving forward to stop the bloodshed. That said here is the real map of Palastina:

It sells for so little, but it's all we have left in this place. It is the very last inch of us...but within that inch we are free.

[Jimbuna]

Hamas wanted Iran to join in Oct 7 attack, secret minutes reveal

Hamas tried to convince Iran to join in the Oct 7 terrorist attacks on Israel, minutes of secret meetings have revealed.

The terror group’s leader Yahya Sinwar attempted to persuade Iran and Hezbollah to join the assault or the broader conflict with Israel after the raid, documents seized by the Israeli military show.

The minutes, which were obtained and reported by the New York Times, show Hamas first plotted to carry out the attack in autumn 2022.

Documents from 10 secret meetings of political and military leaders before the attack on Oct 7 2023, reveal that the terrorists delayed the plan, which they codenamed “the big project”, amid efforts to convince Iran and Hezbollah to take part.

Hamas, which felt it had its allies’ support, decided to go ahead without their full involvement because it wanted to stop Israel deploying an advanced new air-defence system before the assault took place, the minutes show.

The green light for the Oct 7 attack was also given because Hamas wanted to disrupt efforts to normalise relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Before that Hamas had “played dead” for two years to ensure the raid was a surprise.

They “must keep the enemy convinced that Hamas in Gaza wants calm”, the leaders said, according to the minutes.

The minutes show that Israel’s deepening occupation of the West Bank and efforts to exert greater control over the Temple Mount, which is sacred to both Muslims and Jews, were also factors in the attack.

After Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, was returned to power as the head of a hard-Right government in December 2022, Hamas leaders predicted its provocation towards Palestinians “will help us with moving toward the big project” by boosting support for Hamas.

Hamas sent a senior member to Lebanon in July 2023, where he met a senior Iranian commander.

He asked for Tehran’s help in striking sensitive sites at the start of the attack, which took place three months later.

According to the documents, the commander said Iran and Hezbollah were supportive but needed more time to prepare.

The papers also show that Hamas planned to discuss the attack at a later meeting with Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s leader until his assassination this year. They do not reveal whether the talks took place.

Hamas leaders in Gaza said they briefed the group’s Qatar-based political leader on the “big project”, which was not previously known. Ismail Haniyeh, who was said by some not to have been informed of the attack ahead of time, was assassinated by Israel in July.

Hamas leaders also told Hezbollah they were “compelled to move toward a strategic battle” because of Israel’s “internal situation”. It is believed that was a reference to Mr Netanyahu’s controversial plans to overhaul the judiciary.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s leader, has denied Tehran had any role in the attack. US officials have intelligence suggesting Iranian leaders were surprised by the assault.

Hamas leaders, however, have spoken about their support from allies and the New York Times reporting, which verified the minutes, suggests there was some knowledge of the plot.

The minutes were found on a computer by Israeli soldiers in late January in an underground Hamas command centre in southern Gaza shortly after the group’s leaders had fled.

The New York Times verified the documents by sharing them with members of Hamas and experts close to the terrorists.

The Israeli military has also concluded they are genuine.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...c52a6686&ei=70

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Nice eh? Boiling the frog like in Ukraine, and let Israel do the dirty work: first with palestinians and then with Iran. But our hands are clean.

[Skybird]

"States have no friends. States have interests." - de Gaulle

[Skybird]

Its plain and simply stupid to tell your enemy what how much he must go off limits to make you not calling him out for it. may it be the West regarding Putin, may it be the West regarding China, may it be the West regarding IRan. Projecting a weak, indifferent image of oneself seems to have become the dominant state reason of the West.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Meaning it well gets you nowhere, weakness is not noble. Being able to be a beast but acting not aggressively is what enobles us. Weakness is just inability. Its to be dispised. But we applaude it. That tells all about us.