UK Politics Thread - Page 884

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 08:06 AM

Catfish · 12-12-20, 08:18 AM

Better fits here ^
Though i still think the origin of these vids can be found in an eastern part of the world

It is so ridiculous to let it all fail because of this "fish" idiocy, while i am not sure whether there is not another problem called jingoism. Threats to actually use force against non-UK fishing boats, really?
Can we build a fish wall in the North sea, some signs for cods to not pass it, or give them blue passports?

Fish adds about 0,1 to 0,4 percent of the british economy ok.
So it is a national treasure, or most important, or interlocked with pride and patriotism, whatever. I better not say what i think of such .. ok let it be.

I read 90 percent of the UK fished by british trawlers is being sold to the EU.
10 percent of the british fish catches is consumed within the UK.

The "rest" of the fish, which is much more, has already been sold to the EU for a decade to come, in asmuch the UK has sold a good part of their fish in form of permits to Denmark, the Dutch, and France, and some other nations in the EU, for a lot of money.
So i ask again, what happens to those treaties? They paid, built up their fishing fleets for a lot of money relying on the UK, and now what? The dutch being a bit angry is an understatement.

And when the UK has ramped up their own fishing fleet for a lot of money in ten years or so to be even able to do all the fishing alone, they will have to sell all this fish. To the EU. As they do now.

Skybird · 12-12-20, 08:35 AM

^ 2012, Catfish. The yhyvde been there already, British trawler calling the navy to help against ramming and bullying French fisherboats.

And no, its not just about fishing.

skidman · 12-12-20, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Fish adds about 0,1 to 0,4 percent of the british economy ok.
So it is a national treasure, or most important, or interlocked with pride and patriotism, whatever.

Isn't the whole Brexit process overloaded with national pride and emotions? And even worse: Isn't it a process in which the old with their sentiments, symbolics, and illusions from the past ruin it for the younger, stealing their chances and dreams? Hopefully negotiations will be terminated soon. I'm admittedly fed up with the whole matter. Any deal is appreciated, a no deal outcome is not that bad either. Turn the page and let's stay friends.

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skidman

Isn't the whole Brexit process overloaded with national pride and emotions? And even worse: Isn't it a process in which the old with their sentiments, symbolics, and illusions from the past ruin it for the younger, stealing their chances and dreams? Hopefully negotiations will be terminated soon. I'm admittedly fed up with the whole matter. Any deal is appreciated, a no deal outcome is not that bad either. Turn the page and let's stay friends.

Post of the week

For the record: I don't put too much emphasis on the videos myself but they are entertaining and surely have one or two grains of truth in them in parts.

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 09:56 AM

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 01:16 PM

Jimbuna · 12-12-20, 01:18 PM

Catfish · 12-12-20, 03:00 PM

mapuc · 12-12-20, 03:11 PM

Not to "paint the devil on the wall" but will it be as bad as they predict ?

Markus

Catfish · 12-12-20, 03:30 PM

You have to see the people who were responsible and are now in charge of the whole mess, people like Farage, Cummings, Johnson, with a little help from US Bannon of Breitbart "fame", tell you it will be "great" and you can look forward to a beautiful future.

From the more reasonable people you will hear that "no one can know for sure".

BS! Of course you know what can and will go wrong, from most predictions to what is already happening. No one of those in charge in England even understands what the EU does, why, let alone which treaties are in effect. All we hear from Johnson has been propaganda, exagerrations and plain lies. Johnson was for staying in the EU before he smelled his opportunity to become PM.
It would have been more honest to make Farage PM, and let him take the blame and sort out what will inevitably happen now.

Like in the US the worst problem is that obviously a lot of the population believes in populistic nationalist pseudo-patriotic "Scheisshausparolen" (which b.t.w. is german and can be translated as crapper paroles. Which is far too nice a translation of what this means in german, and what is 'brexit').

But frankly, i am tired of the four-year-long good-bye, please let it end. Sit back and enjoy, if you can.

Catfish · 12-12-20, 03:36 PM

Catfish · 12-12-20, 03:47 PM

This is actually very good, or at least i did not know this or never asked those questions

skidman · 12-12-20, 05:23 PM

^Excellent and revealing. And of course some double standards criticized here apply to other countries with a colonial past (France, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands) as well.

Jimbuna · 12-13-20, 11:58 AM

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,947 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Better fits here ^ Though i still think the origin of these vids can be found in an eastern part of the world It is so ridiculous to let it all fail because of this "fish" idiocy, while i am not sure whether there is not another problem called jingoism. Threats to actually use force against non-UK fishing boats, really? Can we build a fish wall in the North sea, some signs for cods to not pass it, or give them blue passports? Fish adds about 0,1 to 0,4 percent of the british economy ok. So it is a national treasure, or most important, or interlocked with pride and patriotism, whatever. I better not say what i think of such .. ok let it be. I read 90 percent of the UK fished by british trawlers is being sold to the EU. 10 percent of the british fish catches is consumed within the UK. The "rest" of the fish, which is much more, has already been sold to the EU for a decade to come, in asmuch the UK has sold a good part of their fish in form of permits to Denmark, the Dutch, and France, and some other nations in the EU, for a lot of money. So i ask again, what happens to those treaties? They paid, built up their fishing fleets for a lot of money relying on the UK, and now what? The dutch being a bit angry is an understatement. And when the UK has ramped up their own fishing fleet for a lot of money in ten years or so to be even able to do all the fishing alone, they will have to sell all this fish. To the EU. As they do now. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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12-12-20, 03:30 PM	#13256
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,947 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	You have to see the people who were responsible and are now in charge of the whole mess, people like Farage, Cummings, Johnson, with a little help from US Bannon of Breitbart "fame", tell you it will be "great" and you can look forward to a beautiful future. From the more reasonable people you will hear that "no one can know for sure". BS! Of course you know what can and will go wrong, from most predictions to what is already happening. No one of those in charge in England even understands what the EU does, why, let alone which treaties are in effect. All we hear from Johnson has been propaganda, exagerrations and plain lies. Johnson was for staying in the EU before he smelled his opportunity to become PM. It would have been more honest to make Farage PM, and let him take the blame and sort out what will inevitably happen now. Like in the US the worst problem is that obviously a lot of the population believes in populistic nationalist pseudo-patriotic "Scheisshausparolen" (which b.t.w. is german and can be translated as crapper paroles. Which is far too nice a translation of what this means in german, and what is 'brexit'). But frankly, i am tired of the four-year-long good-bye, please let it end. Sit back and enjoy, if you can. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 12-12-20 at 03:53 PM.*

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12-12-20, 03:47 PM	#13258
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12-12-20, 05:23 PM	#13259
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	^Excellent and revealing. And of course some double standards criticized here apply to other countries with a colonial past (France, Belgium, Germany, The Netherlands) as well. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

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