Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[GrenSo]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Lunker, you are welcome to make a case for your point of view but please do not post images here of mutilated and dead people. Link to it if you wish, and include a warning of graphic content. thanks.

Many thanks, Neal for your clear statement.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by GrenSo

Many thanks, Neal for your clear statement.

I find the propagandistic lie content much more worrysome than the images. It turns the thread into another Putin propaganda platform of which there are already so many in the Western media landscape. And thats why I reported it - not because of the images.



However, in Germany, even the last defenders of NS2 are fleeing their flag. Minister president Manuela Schwesig, head of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (where the pipeline gets dry feet) and one of the loudest opportunistic Putin-understanders and NS2-defenders, has started a process to dismantle the legal body that heads the pipeline project, which has the law form of a foundation, and that means the pipeline now starts to get indeed officially buried once and forever. That tooks some time!

I wonder whether Biden has been lucky, or just indeed acted wisely, when he did not press the Germans over NS2, even when the war had gone hot, and held back US sanctions. What has come of it? He just had to wait for the Germans moving all by themselves, after years, and when they finally did now, he then could fire the US sanctions without causing any rifts and resistence from Germany anymore to make sure the project is dead and stays dead. Clever or lucky, the outcome is the same.

[GrenSo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I find the propagandistic lie content much more worrysome than the images. It turns the thread into another Putin propaganda platform of which there are already so many in the Western media landscape. And thats why I reported it - not because of the images

I reported the post for both reasons. But for me it was actually the first priority that the personal rights of the dead people shown there were clearly violated with this pictures. We don't need that in the forum.

[Anvar1061]

[Rockstar]

Deliverance comes to mind, all that’s missing in the above video are the banjos.

Ukrainians fought with Germans for the same reasons they are fighting Russians today. In fact when many of Ukrainians in German uniform were sent west to fight against the U.S. Britain and the French. They rebelled shot the Nazis and joined the F.F.I. and French Resistance. After WWII one Ukrainian Major Lev Hloba even went on to join the French Foreign Legion and fought for France.

You can understand now why France is very vocal defending Ukrainians and moving arms and troops to assist other NATO members against little Stalin.

[Skybird]

Romanian news source "adevarul" writes (quoted in a German newspaper)

Only Putin's elimination could avert the danger of a generalized war. Certainly, his (Putin's) generals and political camarilla have also come to this conclusion. Probably these days there are secret talks with the secret services of NATO, about calming down the situation in a post-Putin era. (...) Members of the Russian political and military elite also have families, children and grandchildren. They have no inclination to commit collective suicide. It is only a matter of days before this elite will depose Putin, peacefully or violently.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

I have started to wonder about this ^, too. How long before the rich and the military elites turn against Putin?

[Skybird]

And this: the thirteen Ukrainian defenders of Snake Island that were announced to have been killed after their now famous radio exchnage with a Russian warship, seem to be alive, though in captivity. Source: Ukrainian navy.


Also, Russia closes its airspace for all flight carriers from 36 Western states.

[mapuc]

Does anyone of you have hope, that these meetings between Ukraine and Russia will end in something positive ?

I hope it will mean the end of the invasion.

Markus

[Catfish]

[Rockstar]

Russia still ready for dialogue, despite war

"Russia will always be ready for dialogue that will bring everyone back to justice and the principles of the UN Charter," Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said at a meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mehmood Qureshi.

The Russian Federation is ready for a new Yalta conference — Putin will not talk to comedian Zelensky.

Читайте больше на https://english.pravda.ru/world/1504...a_ukraine_war/


Are they kidding, a new YALTA conference? WTF world is this guy Putin living in? Stop dreaming of reviving yesteryear the days of Stalinist spheres of influence are over. Make love money, not war.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Does anyone of you have hope, that these meetings between Ukraine and Russia will end in something positive ?

I hope it will mean the end of the invasion.

Markus

I doubt it and definitely not whilst Vladolf is in power.

[Onkel Neal]

Hoo boy, Russia stepped in it now. Germany is taking off the gloves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ukraine-putin

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Does anyone of you have hope, that these meetings between Ukraine and Russia will end in something positive ?

I hope it will mean the end of the invasion.

Markus

It could have gone a lot better if once he recognized the Separatists in the Donbass he then sent his so called peace keeping force into that particular region, but no further.

But invading the rest of Ukraine Putin opened up a whole new can of worms. He really screwed up when he did that. The longer Ukraine can draw this out by defending their homeland the more internal pressure will be applied to Putin at home. He seems to long for the old days of Stalin so maybe there will be a report of him catching cold and he’ll simply disappear.

[Onkel Neal]

Hoo boy, Russia stepped in it now. Germany is taking off the gloves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-ukraine-putin

Originally Posted by Anvar1061

That guy's CIA

[Jimbuna]