Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Earlier today the Danish Parliament voted for a 1.2 billion Danish Kroner package to Ukraine. The package will consist of military, medical aid and support for strengthen the democracy development(I think the reporter said)

Markus

[Jimbuna]

A Kroner is currently worth .12 (twelve pence) of a British Pound

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

A Kroner is currently worth .12 (twelve pence) of a British Pound

Sorry I should have mention the number in Euros.

I divided the sum with 7.45 and got Approx. 162 million Euros.

For 100 Euros you have to pay around 745 Danish kroner.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Now that sounds much more plausible

[mapuc]

Don't know what to make of this claim in this video

Seeing made me remember all the comment some of my German friends has posted since years back



Ukraine has EVERY rights to attack the enemy on their own soil.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Only if the Ukraine can afford its losses better than the Russians can afford theirs.

And "losses goes beyond the body count, but also includes the economical price. Its Ukrianian cities being wiped out, not Russian, and its Ukrainian industries and economy getting bombed into oblivion, not Russian, and its Ukrainian infrastructure, roads and bridges disappearing, not Russian ones.

And the Russians have more walking bodies to throw into the fire.

What I mean is its not so easy as to just refer to a ratio for both side's body counts. Ukrianian's position is logistically fragile, and this is its Archilles heel. Putler still plays the long game, assuming that Western support sooner or later will wane. That will allow him to "freeze" the confict in the status its now in, keeping the conquered territories. And Russia in some years coming back to bite off more.

I do not believe the figures from both sides and do not believe Russia can "freeze" the conflict they do not and did not have the workforce to produce for this kinda war. This invasion has shown they can not do it with this kinda economy Putin can not do a Stalin he does not have 2 million in a gulag to rebuild his army on the same level as in 2021 he at least need a decade but with the state of his economy he needs more time. Oh, ok, he can destroy Ukraine, but Russia has little to gain by taking over a country with a poor economy and population hostile to Russians, not talking about the guerrilla that will start the costs will be too high. Western support will not wane Europe has changed the German France axis has lost the leading role Eastern EU and wealthy north-west countries do not allow Putin any more German and France will follow this new group in Europe because they are outnumbered.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Don't know what to make of this claim in this video

Seeing made me remember all the comment some of my German friends has posted since years back



Ukraine has EVERY rights to attack the enemy on their own soil.

Markus

LOL now Ukraine will fear this any country that thinks to dictate Ukraine will fail David is fighting Goliath, you think they bother others who sit save far away behind the fronts. The more Ukraine hits Russia Putin lie will crumble, Russians now know the Russian government can't protect them that the Kremlin can't protect them. This despite Putin's boast that everything's going to plan in Ukraine.

[mapuc]

^^ The entire Ukraine ?

From visual memory of the result of the 1991 independent referendum I recall that areas(Oblast) who had border with Russia voted to stay within the Russian empire.

In all the pro-west won with more than 53-55%

I can have remembered wrong.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

^^ The entire Ukraine ?

From visual memory of the result of the 1991 independent referendum I recall that areas(Oblast) who had border with Russia voted to stay within the Russian empire.

In all the pro-west won with more than 53-55%

I can have remembered wrong.

Markus

Ukraine was, and still is viewed, a buffer between the West and Russia for more than 100 year so yeah the plan is whole Ukraine will it happen nah.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

^^ The entire Ukraine ?

From visual memory of the result of the 1991 independent referendum I recall that areas(Oblast) who had border with Russia voted to stay within the Russian empire.

In all the pro-west won with more than 53-55%

I can have remembered wrong.

Markus

An overwhelming majority of 92.3% of voters approved the declaration of independence made by the Verkhovna Rada on 24 August 1991 there was no oblast that voted against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_U...nce_referendum (The six regions with the lowest percentage of "yes" votes were Kharkiv, Luhansk, Donetsk, and Odesa Oblasts, Crimea, and Sevastopol; all of those regions still had a majority of registered voters marking their ballots "yes", except for Crimea and Sevastopol.). That has changed after the Maidan revolution (Revolution of Dignity, 2014) it became more pro-western.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

That has changed after the Maidan revolution (Revolution of Dignity, 2014) it became more pro-western.

Wasn't it about the same time where some leader in Donbass and Luhansk asked for support and declared independence from Kyiv ?

And wasn't it around same time where Russia invaded and annexed Crimea ?

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Wasn't it about the same time where some leader in Donbass and Luhansk asked for support and declared independence from Kyiv ?

And wasn't it around same time where Russia invaded and annexed Crimea ?

Markus

Those "leaders" were no leaders of those oblasts, all is planned by Putin.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Those "leaders" were no leaders of those oblasts, all is planned by Putin.

Ok so it was around that time Putler decided to annex these three areas-Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea. and inserted puppet he could control.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Ok so it was around that time Putler decided to annex these three areas-Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea. and inserted puppet he could control.

Markus

FSB played a big role in this.

[mapuc]

Had a discussion with an online friend who questioning the number of Russian casualties.

Said to him, that the number is somehow correct and how we(the intelligence in west knows it)has to do with Russian bureaucracy.

Putin has forbidden Russian newspaper in reporting daily loses. However the newspaper are allowed to post how many wife, girlfriends, fiance a.s.o. get money for lost husband, boyfriend a.s.o.
(A Danish reporter said this in the beginning of the war)

This is how the Russian gets the information about daily loses.
More likely yesterdays loses.

This information is also available in the bureau of information in Kremlin.

I say that Putin is playing with fire at home..Sooner or later the Russians will have enough of this war.

Markus