Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[u crank]

NATO’s post-Cold War strategy has been a disaster

https://thespectator.com/topic/the-p...kraine-russia/

The policy NATO pursued was the worst of both worlds: by holding out the possibility of membership to Ukraine, without providing the security of actual membership, NATO gave Russia time and incentive to act first. So Ukraine bleeds.

Europe is a rich continent, and the European members of NATO are wealthy enough to provide all of the financial support that Ukraine needs — they just choose not to. It’s rational: why should Europeans pay for Europe’s security, when they can have Americans pay instead?

Perhaps a European alliance after the Cold War would have performed as badly as the American-led NATO, but it would have had skin in the game rather than allowing ideologues in Washington to play games with other people’s skins.

[Skybird]

^ Good essay. So true.
But what is the reality? Gemany just has had the chuzpa to demand a permanent seat in the security council. Of course, this farce ended like was predictable.

[tonschk]

Zelensky CAUGHT LYING Ahead Of US Visit

[mapuc]

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by tonschk

The beginning of the end for Zelensky
Western support for Ukraine is beginning to weaken, the signing of peace with Russia will mark the end of Zelensky, says Bulgarian historian Alexander Sivilov.

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/world.p...&nav_id=116655

"Without the help of the West, Ukraine will end its participation in the war in the near future. But a much bigger problem will arise for Volodymyr Zelensky and his entourage. If he ends the war now, their lives are over, because they will be pursued by their own Nazis, they are now the most confident people fighting on the front against Russia," the historian said.

Sivilov added that Ukrainian President is therefore doing everything possible to prolong the war.

"At this session of the United Nations, we saw that the world's support for Zelensky is starting to decline rapidly. This was also noticeable based on the statements of the President of Colombia, who called for the immediate establishment of peace. This was also noticeable by the announcement of the Hungarian President, who did not speak specifically about the war, although there was also a call that it is better to end the war," the expert emphasized.

According to him, she criticized the Ukrainian Government for not respecting the rights of ethnic minorities in Ukraine.

"It is the idea that Ukraine ceases to exist and that countries like Poland and Hungary tear off parts of it where people live who, from their point of view, are their ethnic population," Sivilov pointed out.

He emphasized that the beginning of the end has clearly started. "It sounds strange, but it seems that events are taking place in that direction. The expected incredible visit of Zelensky to the UN can turn into a serious fiasco," underlined Sivilov.

The end? I do not think that!

US and Ukraine will produce weapons together

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reached agreements on joint production of weapons during his visit to Washington. He reports this in his daily video message. "Co-production in the defense industry is a historic thing," Zelenskyy said. "A new industrial base, new jobs for both countries." He speaks of "a new level of unity." Specifically, according to Zelenskyy, it involves the production of air defense systems. When production is to begin is unclear, but Zelenskyy talks about a long-term agreement. Earlier this month, the Ukrainian government also signed an agreement with British arms manufacturer BAE Systems. That will produce artillery guns in Ukraine, among other things.

[Dargo]

Biden tells Zelenskyy that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles

Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia. President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday. The officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly, did not say when the missiles would be delivered or when a public announcement would be made. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/r...ile-rcna116876

[Dargo]

No the Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol!!!!!!1!!!1!1 https://twitter.com/i_gil_/status/1705174050165682567




Seems Ukraine waited until a bunch of the Russian Navy's brass loaded up into headquarters before blowing it up, killing the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet himself. Wikipedia has been updated to say Commander Victor Sokolov is now wormfood. https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status...68912344940766

[Exocet25fr]

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!

It's the beginning of the end for Russia and those who support them

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!

I lived to a couple ends in my life, but this is not the one.

[Skybird]

There are mounting indications that Ukraine indeed has broken through all three defense lines at Werbove. Now if they have the power left to widen and deepen that breach, then this could turn into a major operational breakthrough. Too early to say, but the signs are promising, even more so sicne the three most elite brigades the Russians had send in in a hurry to defend - have been annihilated.

Things now start to become interesting.

Washington has promised ATACAMS. I assume Bubble Olaf will soon get out of his hole and announce delivery of Taurus, like he did with the tanks.


I think Kerch bridge has lived the longer part of its life already.

[Catfish]

Ukraine has still to even reach Crimea, there are still too much russian troops left, and the Kerch bridge is difficult to destroy.
But this is not the first time the Ukraine has surprised us, so I guess they have some more up their sleeve.
Good news !

[Dargo]

I think this offensive will go different than we expect, I see attrition -> move forward -> attrition -> move forward in between make Crimea useless to occupy scare away the Black Sea fleet and destroy the supply lines. This doctrine will save more lives than our way of offensive that Ukraine can not execute because they do not have the material, we do not supply them the needed weapons.

[Catfish]

Has Russia given up lying?
Russian Sergey Markov - in an interview with PublicO:

“We are losing tens of billions of dollars on discounts on oil, gas, fertilizers, etc. Conventionally, we receive 10-20% less than we could get for our goods.

Secondly, we have problems getting the products we need. For some things we overpay, but for others we cannot buy them at all.
In addition, there is a colossal subsidization of the army that is hostile to us. We are forced to spend a lot of money to confront it.
Thirdly, Westerners have an almost monopoly on the information space. It's hard for us to compete with them. Hence the problems with influencing public opinion.

Well, and finally, we have almost no allies. Even those who exist sometimes are absent.”

My heart bleeds. Do stupid stunts, win stupid prizes.

https://twitter.com/NatalkaKyiv/stat...16753456886112

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

It's the beginning of the end for ALL of us.........!

Only for Russia and allies like North Korea. Or Iran.

How much support does France give to Ukraine?
€19.7 billion in support of Ukraine's economic, social and financial resilience (€12.4 billion in European funds and €7.3 billion from EU Member States). €3.5 billion in military assistance via the European Peace Facility.
France's contributions to this Facility account for 20% of total contributions.

You know your nazi slut marine LePen is not yet at the helm.