All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by guynoir

Errr, what theory is that?

It's not the 'trenken sees reason and empathizes with his fellow simmers' theory is it? ...because I'm afraid I have some sad news for you.

No guynoir It's just that it seems Ubisoft Moles seem to come to the surface just before a release without any activity on this site (0 dl ) or any later game posts.

Then disappear until next release.

I Don't see you as one of them.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

The reason you are being singled out like you are is because you refuse to debate your position and instead say the same thing over and over.

Excuse me? Ive debated it, you just dont like what I have to say so you're pretending im not adressing it, which is very mature by the way.

Did I not just say to you regardless of what you want to post about how few people you say are on broadband, why are there next to no modern games you can play on dial up?

There are millions of people that love records and own record players, why cant I find any in stores anymore?

I rest my case.

[Kremmen]

Anyone remember the Sony rootkit affair ?
People starting ranting about that and Sony backed down then offered an exchange on the infected cd's and a software removal tool to get rid of the rootkit.
I think why the DRM thing keeps coming up is because (certainly we here are really passionate about subsims) and we were really looking forward to the release of SH5 only to be hit with these draconian demands just to play the game.So a mixture of anger and disappointment gets vented such is the depths of peoples feelings on this issue.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" .
--Edmund Burke

Maybe that quote's a bit extreme in this case ,but if we don't tell these companies that we will not stand for these impositions they will continue to treat us as criminals,as in 'WE do not trust you with our product,please proceed to hoop A....NOW JUMP'

[IanC]

Originally Posted by trenken

Did I not just say to you regardless of what you want to post about how few people you say are on broadband, why are there next to no modern games you can play on dial up?

There are millions of people that love records and own record players, why cant I find any in stores anymore?

I rest my case.

Most games are offline single player games, what are you talking about.

[trenken]

Im not here to get into another debate about DRM. I came into this thread to agree that its flooding the board. So you dont like DRM and wont buy SH5, why are you here then? Let those of us that want to talk some positivity about the game do so in peace.

[Iron Budokan]

I for one am NOT going to be quiet about this or have my voice silenced.

So. Yeah. You'll have to deal with that, I'm afraid.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by trenken

Once again stubborn people here unwilling to let someone have an opinion. Ive played 4 DRM games, all work just fine for me.

You're anti-DRM, well thats fine by me, you can also fight against broadband, HD, whatever else you dont want to adopt, you're allowed to feel that way.

I disagree. I went from dial up to High Speed because I could then access, download and manipulate the same websites I was visiting anyway much faster. The benefit was to me, not to my internet provider.

Same goes for HD. I went from an SD DVR to an HD DVR because of the massive increase in picture and audio quality that came with it. Again, the benefit was mine not DirecTVs.

Nobody is trying to hold back the waves of advancement, which is your constant attack on people like me, but to have to be connected to a Ubisoft server in order to play the latest installment in the Silent Hunter series is utter nonsense.

What gain do you think you'll get by playing this game online? I have never had a corrupted save or a hard drive crash on any system I've owned, so what do I gain by being connected to a Ubisoft server?

If Ubisoft wants to go the online route...fine...put the whole game on your servers and charge people a monthly fee to set up an online account and play the game online with no software loaded on their computers that you've charged them $49 for.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by trenken

There are millions of people that love records and own record players, why cant I find any in stores anymore?

And the maker of Segway scooters said they would revolutionize the world. Until he got bitchslapped by the voice of the consumer who said "nuh-uh!" See, technology and new stuff for technology and new stuff's sake is not good if there's no DEMAND for it.

And in your example - the overwhelming majority of consumers preferred the benefits conveyed by CDs and tapes. They voted with their wallets and said "THIS IS WHAT WE WANT" and the music industry filled the demand by producing tapes and CDs. You can't find records because the consumer demand is not there for them. The record industry didn't all of a sudden one day say "Well we're going to make CDs now, screw you guys, love it or leave it, suckers." The market demanded it.

You don't seem to get it. Consumer demand is what forces a company's hand, not the whims and dictates of upper management (well, ideally). They respond to what the consumer wants. If the consumer decides that always connected DRM is a bad thing and rejects it by not buying the product, which a cursory glance at the forums here will tell you is the case, then the company will respond to the consumer if they want to stay in business.

For an example of this played out in real life, look no further than the headlines:

It's been 18 months since O'Reilly, the world's largest publisher of tech books, stopped using DRM on its ebooks. In the intervening time, O'Reilly's ebook sales have increased by 104 percent.

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/22...ops-ebook.html

The MARKET dictates what new technology will be, not the producers. And in this case, you're witnessing the market reject the invasive DRM scheme that Ubi has planned.

[cherbert]

Well I for one am getting sick of this place now. If Neil wants to continue to allow this nonsense them I'm gone. I strongly believe he is making a big mistake allowing this to happen in this forum.

Create a DRM discussion forum or restrict discussions to a single topic for god sake!

I really doubt for one second UBI come here - and I really don't think they give a flying *** what you all think. They probably have invested millions in this new technology and as others have said - its the future and there is no going back.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by cherbert

Well I for one am getting sick of this place now. If Neil wants to continue to allow this nonsense them I'm gone. I strongly believe he is making a big mistake allowing this to happen in this forum.

Create a DRM discussion forum or restrict discussions to a single topic for god sake!

I really doubt for one second UBI come here - and I really don't think they give a flying *** what you all think. They probably have invested millions in this new technology and as others have said - its the future and there is no going back.

You've made 64 posts here in the 5 years you've been a member. Feel free to join the Ubi Forum. You won't be missed.

[sergei]

I'll post this here because you did not answer it in the other thread.
To be fair, I realise this was not intentional, you were probably overwhelmed with objections at the time.

Originally Posted by Seaman_Hornsby

But the critical thing that makes Steam work is the OFFLINE MODE. You can still play your paid-for games if your connection goes down or is unavailable.

Which is my major problem.
I can understand a publisher (of music, movies, games whatever) asking me to authenticate my ownership of something every now and again. I don't particularly like it, but as a realist I can understand it.
But it is not the same as requiring me to be connected to them the whole time I play my single player game.
Is this really necessary for authentication of ownership?
I don't think it is.

I play a few games that have various forms of DRM.
They are all a pain in the arse to install and activate, but I happily put up with that because that is the way the world has gone.
However: NONE of them insist that I connect permanently via the internet to the company that made the game (or published it, or produced it, whatever).

I understand that some here object to DRM on principal. And good luck arguing with those people. You two are never going to agree.

I don't particularly like DRM, but understand that that is the way things are going to go, so I am going to have to deal with it.

I object to the manner in which it is being implemented, specifically with respect to this game.

You have continually gone on about the benefits of DRM, (which isn't really DRM as I understand it, it is actually cloud computing), yet you have neglected to address the concerns of the many (read that again, MANY), who will have problems with this.

You may be lucky enough to live in 24/7/365 great connection land but more people than you may imagine do not.
I do not doubt your assertion that one day all will be like this: but at the moment this is not so, and those of us unable to participate in this bright future (a lot more than 1% I can assure you), will continue to remind the lucky ones that 24/7/365 is not universal the world over.

Just to remind you:
My issue is NOT with DRM.
It is with the assumption that any gamer who wants to play this game should have a permanent, stable internet connection.

The Game wants me to authenticate online when I install: OK I can live with that.
The Game wants me to authenticate online when I start a new career: Not very happy, but I guess I can do that.
The Game wants me to be online the whole fekkin time I play the single player game: Now I got a problem.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by cherbert

- its the future and there is no going back.

hogwash

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by trenken

Excuse me? Ive debated it, you just dont like what I have to say so you're pretending im not adressing it, which is very mature by the way.

Did I not just say to you regardless of what you want to post about how few people you say are on broadband, why are there next to no modern games you can play on dial up?

There are millions of people that love records and own record players, why cant I find any in stores anymore?

I rest my case.

Vinyl is making a comeback
Not hard to find at all

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...=vinyl&x=0&y=0 ( quick search as was on that page )

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/navigate.do?ct...SubGroupID=208

Neither are turntables
Even non usb ones are out there

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...able&x=10&y=18

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[BootsmanBoof]

As I just found out about the DRM 15 minutes ago, I'll be moving along. You'll never find me post in this sh5 forum again.

[cherbert]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

You've made 64 posts here in the 5 years you've been a member. Feel free to join the Ubi Forum. You won't be missed.

What f**ing relevance is that? I have a life and you don't maybe?