The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[tomoose]

....if UBI continues their track record of horrendous user-unfriendly, non-intuitive (and usually poorly thought out) methods of 'connecting' to "their" servers/games THAT will be the downfall of SH5 (bad gameplay notwithstanding).

Watch and shoot.

[onelifecrisis]

A little something for the anti-OSP crowd.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...ctivation-Bomb

[IanC]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

A little something for the anti-OSP crowd.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...ctivation-Bomb

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

[Elder-Pirate]

^^
One more reason why I will not purchase SHV.

[Rip]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

That's slightly misleading in one respect. Enigma was not craked by humans directly; it was cracked by humans using non-human means (elementary 'computers').

It was impossible for humans to crack enigma due to the impossibly huge number of potential code combinations. They needed a means of running millions of them in a sensible time. Hence the development of artificial computation means.

Yes, it took human intelligence to crack enigma, but it was achieved through 'outsourcing' direct human intelligence and means through a mechanical application.

Having said all that, which I did largely because I find it a point of interest, your siggestion that humans can devise a means to circumvent any code is correct. What is not a given is that the means devised will in fact be available (for example, how many of us could have built a 'bombe' to crack enigma, even if we had worked out the theoretical possibility?).

Cheers

Actually many of the methods were anything but computers and required a great deal of human labor and calculation etc. But of course why not use computing resources if they are available and they. It IS crackable. As stated anything CAN be cracked. It is a simple matter of resources. Does anyone with the resources want to use them on this? Who knows, in the end I don't think it will factor but a tiny amount into sales.

There is a confusion among the publishers that these people getting pirated copies of stuff would/will buy it. They won't. The only thing these always online DRM methods are accomplishing is to diminish legal sales. In my opinion they have grossly underestimated the outrage this will cause and what the financial impact will be. I for one will buy SHV but I won't be buying any other Ubi titles (and I own many) that include this OSP crapola.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by Rip

It IS crackable. As stated anything CAN be cracked.

For the first time I don't want to purchase an SH title.


But I will be playing it....

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

That's slightly misleading in one respect. Enigma was not craked by humans directly; it was cracked by humans using non-human means (elementary 'computers').

It was impossible for humans to crack enigma due to the impossibly huge number of potential code combinations. They needed a means of running millions of them in a sensible time. Hence the development of artificial computation means.

Yes, it took human intelligence to crack enigma, but it was achieved through 'outsourcing' direct human intelligence and means through a mechanical application.

Having said all that, which I did largely because I find it a point of interest, your siggestion that humans can devise a means to circumvent any code is correct. What is not a given is that the means devised will in fact be available (for example, how many of us could have built a 'bombe' to crack enigma, even if we had worked out the theoretical possibility?).

Cheers

My point is that Enigma, regardless of the technical difficulty of cracking it, it was done. If someone has a "need" or strong enough "desire" to do it then given the time and resources it will be done.

On your point about the lack of the means, in this day and age I'd suggest that is largely irrelevant. Once the crack becomes freely available in a form that is easily used, then like all the game cracks that have gone before they will be used by many more people that have no clue of even the concepts behind how they were made.

The main point is that with todays technology it will only take one person with the means to permit many to gain the benefits of those means. I think the Enigma analogy stands.

[SubSim Skipper]

Wow this it is ..this is the argument ...and there is NO WAY AROUND THERE POINTS! If it was never solidified before, (and it already was) it certainly would be now as to why I will not buy this game!

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Reece

A shame, I will never buy a product that required a permanent online connection, matter of principal, and there are many times I don't have internet connection, I'll buy Xbox before this DRM control crap!!

That pretty much sums it up for me too.

[VonGlaus]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

A little something for the anti-OSP crowd.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...ctivation-Bomb

Pretty well stated.

[Steeltrap]

Originally Posted by TarJak

My point is that Enigma, regardless of the technical difficulty of cracking it, it was done. If someone has a "need" or strong enough "desire" to do it then given the time and resources it will be done.

I did say in my post that I agreed with you. I was being pedantic to some degree. There's a remote possibility that the means required to circumvent OSP/DRM might be as bad as the problem.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

I did say in my post that I agreed with you. I was being pedantic to some degree. There's a remote possibility that the means required to circumvent OSP/DRM might be as bad as the problem.

I agree that you agreed.

I also think that the means to circumvent OSP may be even worse given the sorts of people involved in cracking game DRM schemes.

I can imagine all sorts of shenanigans going on when you have to communicate with an "external" server. Securom will have nothing on this.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by Reaves

For the first time I don't want to purchase an SH title.


But I will be playing it....

Your attitude mirrors that of many Ubi clients. Infecting SH5 with DRM/OSP, Ubi has antagonized over 100,000 just on this forum alone. A large percentage will play their own way, just to hurt this stupid compsany who has no respect for the intelligence of its clients.

Moo

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Brag

Ubi has antagonized over 100,000 just on this forum alone.

Where do you get that number?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Where do you get that number?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=842

apparently subsim had over 100k unique visitors in January alone.