For 9/11 Conspiracy nutters! This for U

[kiwi_2005]

Taken from another forum the guy who put this up is (was) so anti 9/11 a true believer in the USA govenment setup 9/11 blah blah yet this article CHANGED his views and now he realised how wrong he was. Time magazine has just published a story entitled "Why the 9/11 conspiracy theories won't go away". Apparently 1/3 of the American population has bought into various conspiracy theories (call it the X-files effect). According to psychologists, people simply need grand "DaVinci Code" like explanations for tragic events. Our minds simply can't grasp how something of this magnitude could occur, without a corresponding grand theory to explain it all. THE TRUTH.... ITS OUT THERE!

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...1304-1,00.html

I wasn't aware that there were any 9/11 nutters on here?:hmm:

I've read the article, but this is an article based on the writers "theory" of how the rest of the world is making up conspiracy theories about 9/11.

Most of us know that the planes were responsible for the damage and lives taken that day. I think the "conspiracy theory" that most of us "nutters" agree on is that the government doesn't have a good defense on this and for the fact that they knew about this PRIOR to the event and did not do a thing to try and stop it from happening. This is just as bad as doing it yourself. For instance, if I knew someone was about to be killed and did nothing to try and stop it I would be found just as guilty as the killer in a court of law.

This is why I think several people in the Bush administration should be put behind bars and this includes Bush. Since he was the head honcho at the time he should be found guilty of dereliciton to duty for not attempting at least to stop the act. Several senior officials have stated that there was plenty of creditable evidence and reports from the CIA and NCIS and other foriegn intelligence agencies that the US was going to be hit by a terrorist act on that day by the usage of commercials planes. Why wasn't security boosted at ALL US airports that week for Christ sake? That would have been the least Bush and his administration could have done to prevent that day from ever happening. Notice how Bush was on a trip down in Florida that day and not at the Whitehouse! Maybe he didn't want to be there for a reason?

Bush reminds me of the pompas a-hole mayor of Amity Island in the Jaws movie. Notice how that A-hole wanted to keep the beaches open AFTER the shark had already killed people! It was all about making money and Bush is no different. All he cares about is his fat wallet getting ever fatter with his greed. May he rot in hell for all eternity!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

This is why I think several people in the Bush administration should be put behind bars and this includes Bush. Since he was the head honcho at the time he should be found guilty of dereliciton to duty for not attempting at least to stop the act.

Ain't gonna happen. But anyway, do you think we should put Clinton in jail for the years he let terrorism happen and did nothing to stop those acts? How about Clinton's refusal to put security in our national labratories? How about Clinton categorizing military space applications as dual use...basically giving China the keys to the kingdom? How about label FDR a criminal posthumously for not stopping the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Dude, you are a lost soul. You totally have no clue whatsoever.

At any rate, this isn't so hard to figure out. 1/3 of the voting population are hardcore lefties. They are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Ain't gonna happen. But anyway, do you think we should put Clinton in jail for the years he let terrorism happen and did nothing to stop those acts? How about Clinton's refusal to put security in our national labratories? How about Clinton categorizing military space applications as dual use...basically giving China the keys to the kingdom? How about label FDR a criminal posthumously for not stopping the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Dude, you are a lost soul. You totally have no clue whatsoever.

At any rate, this isn't so hard to figure out. 1/3 of the voting population are hardcore lefties. They are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.

Of course your lopsided views have led you to admit that you and your radical ideals would do this to your fellow countrymen! You are one sick puppy Sea Demon, I've got to hand it to you!

You are probably the kid that used to burn ants alive with your dad's magnify glass. Sick sick sick!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Of course your lopsided views have led you to admit that you and your radical ideals would do this to your fellow countrymen! You are one sick puppy Sea Demon, I've got to hand it to you!

You are probably the kid that used to burn ants alive with your dad's magnify glass. Sick sick sick!

No, I think most believe that insane people need hospitalization.

Then I suppose it's off to the hospital for you then! :rotfl:

[stabiz]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Ain't gonna happen. But anyway, do you think we should put Clinton in jail for the years he let terrorism happen and did nothing to stop those acts? How about Clinton's refusal to put security in our national labratories? How about Clinton categorizing military space applications as dual use...basically giving China the keys to the kingdom? How about label FDR a criminal posthumously for not stopping the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor? Dude, you are a lost soul. You totally have no clue whatsoever.

At any rate, this isn't so hard to figure out. 1/3 of the voting population are hardcore lefties. They are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.

Posts like this explain why USA is down in the world polls.

Agreed Stabiz. They should change the name of the country to the "UnUnited States of America" since all we do is agree to disagree on EVERYTHING.

If I say, "Black", then one of the rightwing fools is just going to say, "White".

Again, it's all about personal gain on both sides.


True. I have more to gain if a Democrat is in the Whitehouse and as an Independent this is why I am leaning heavily to the left side on issues. Most of this was brought on by my hatred of the war in Iraq which I found to be a completely useless and undeserving war and still do.

Since I am a man of peace I don't believe in war to be used to "control or occupy" another nation that did not attack my own to begin with. Unlike Japan which did attack my country first, I do agree on war efforts. I feel the A-bombs used at the end were a bit too extreme and uncalled for though.

I even agree when Bush stated we were going after Bin Laden. I had no problem with us going to Afganistan to find him and bring him to justice. It was only when Bush declared war on Iraq (almost immidately after getting Afganistan) that I started having a problem with him and his policy. The was about the lowest form of warfare a US president could even dream up.

Just WHAT did Iraq do to our country in the last 10+ years. NOT A DAMN THING! The first gulf war was a needed war to keep Sadaam from taking over Kuwait, but was Sadaam going after Kuwait when we invaded him the second time - NO!

This was an obvious war that Bush wanted and pushed for. When the United Nations didn't agree to war, Bush bypassed them and did it anyways...WTF?!?!

This truly shows that Bush thinks that he and the US are better than any other nation that makes up the United Nations. Bush expects other countries to follow the "rules" but he feels he doesn't need to follow the rules.

He claims that he's "protecting the American people" all the time. Just what the hell is he protecting us from? There was no WMD in Iraq and never was. There is no proof that Sadaam and Bin Laden even said a word to one another, much less Bin Laden ever being in Iraq in his lifetime.

This war is what I consider to be a COMPLETE breakdown in world humanity as well as US law. For one man to be able to start a war and invade another country for no apparent reasons other than his personal vendetta has shown the world that G.W. Bush has way too much power at his fingertips.

It's too bad that soooo many people on this forum support him the way they do. They appear to me to be puppets on Bush's strings. I call their "following" nature unpatriotic and cowardly! These types of people live in fear of everything I imagine. Most of them probably went out and bought a bomb shelter for their garden in the backyard thinking Sadaam had WMD. It's funny how fear can control a person so much that he is willing to do just about anything to avoid the fear anymore and this includes supporting a US president that has committed murder and destruction to the Iraqi people and their families. This is a US president who has committed the beginnings of genocide towards muslims in the world. This is a US president that in the works and bent on world takeover.

[SkvyWvr]

[quote=SubSerpent]Agreed Stabiz. They should change the name of the country to the "UnUnited States of America" since all we do is agree to disagree on EVERYTHING.

If I say, "Black", then one of the rightwing fools is just going to say, "White". /quote]

And who's to say the one that says "Black" isn't the fool?

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Agreed Stabiz. They should change the name of the country to the "UnUnited States of America" since all we do is agree to disagree on EVERYTHING.

If I say, "Black", then one of the rightwing fools is just going to say, "White".

Again, it's all about personal gain on both sides.


True. I have more to gain if a Democrat is in the Whitehouse and as an Independent this is why I am leaning heavily to the left side on issues. Most of this was brought on by my hatred of the war in Iraq which I found to be a completely useless and undeserving war and still do.

Since I am a man of peace I don't believe in war to be used to "control or occupy" another nation that did not attack my own to begin with. Unlike Japan which did attack my country first, I do agree on war efforts. I feel the A-bombs used at the end were a bit too extreme and uncalled for though.

I even agree when Bush stated we were going after Bin Laden. I had no problem with us going to Afganistan to find him and bring him to justice. It was only when Bush declared war on Iraq (almost immidately after getting Afganistan) that I started having a problem with him and his policy. The was about the lowest form of warfare a US president could even dream up.

Just WHAT did Iraq do to our country in the last 10+ years. NOT A DAMN THING! The first gulf war was a needed war to keep Sadaam from taking over Kuwait, but was Sadaam going after Kuwait when we invaded him the second time - NO!

This was an obvious war that Bush wanted and pushed for. When the United Nations didn't agree to war, Bush bypassed them and did it anyways...WTF?!?!

This truly shows that Bush thinks that he and the US are better than any other nation that makes up the United Nations. Bush expects other countries to follow the "rules" but he feels he doesn't need to follow the rules.

He claims that he's "protecting the American people" all the time. Just what the hell is he protecting us from? There was no WMD in Iraq and never was. There is no proof that Sadaam and Bin Laden even said a word to one another, much less Bin Laden ever being in Iraq in his lifetime.

This war is what I consider to be a COMPLETE breakdown in world humanity as well as US law. For one man to be able to start a war and invade another country for no apparent reasons other than his personal vendetta has shown the world that G.W. Bush has way too much power at his fingertips.

It's too bad that soooo many people on this forum support him the way they do. They appear to me to be puppets on Bush's strings. I call their "following" nature unpatriotic and cowardly! These types of people live in fear of everything I imagine. Most of them probably went out and bought a bomb shelter for their garden in the backyard thinking Sadaam had WMD. It's funny how fear can control a person so much that he is willing to do just about anything to avoid the fear anymore and this includes supporting a US president that has committed murder and destruction to the Iraqi people and their families. This is a US president who has committed the beginnings of genocide towards muslims in the world. This is a US president that in the works and bent on world takeover.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by stabiz

Posts like this explain why USA is down in the world polls.

Like anyone in the US cares about "world polls".

[stabiz]

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Like anyone in the US cares about "world polls".

Most Americans do, I would think. Maybe not you guys in NRA, though.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

At any rate, this isn't so hard to figure out. 1/3 of the voting population are hardcore lefties. They are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.

Sea Naz...Sea Demon, i normally do not say things like this, but please make sure we never really meet. I do not think the outcome would be nice for anyone.

Posts like Sea Demon's just above show why Comparing American Republicans to Nazis is not wrong. It proves that it is a correct Comparsion. Currently Sea Demon, our litte Right Wing Radical is on the Position of "Left Wing people are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.", now let's just imaginery put him one step further thorwards the right. Then he would have said "Left Wing people are nuts, dumb, and gernerally worse compared to the American Republican Master Race. They are Untermenschen and should not be walking on the streets, they are having bad influence on our kids. They should be put in camps getting gas'ed."

Do we want such People to make the decisions on what the Future of this Planet depends, because they are a Superpower?

Most People will say no. Or think that comparsion is a bit drastic because they are hiding in thier glass house, or rather, Nuclear Bunker Named "USA", with Oncle sam telling them storys to candlelight and marshmellows.

Originally Posted by stabiz

Posts like this explain why USA is down in the world polls.

Agree totally. But....

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Like anyone in the US cares about "world polls".

Thats your Problem. You don't care how Reckless, Idiotic, Nazi, Aggressive, or Rude your actions seem to the Rest of the World. This is one of the reasons why Europe and US people hate each other so much.

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Since I am a man of peace I don't believe in war to be used to "control or occupy" another nation that did not attack my own to begin with. Unlike Japan which did attack my country first, I do agree on war efforts. I feel the A-bombs used at the end were a bit too extreme and uncalled for though.

I am leftie too, and i go even one step farer, calling the A-Bomb attack a Inhuman action. The US could have invaded Japan, saving many Civilist lives wich are still lost today due radiation. But no, the US had to test it's new toy.

The Attack of The Japanese Empire was a attack from Military forces on a Military Target, a Military used Harbor. I did some reserch and found out that the attack killed 68 civilians and 2,403 American Military Personell. How much Civilians did the Attack with the A-Bomb cost? I am sure as hell more Civilians then Military!

The US excuse is that the bombings ended the war months sooner than would otherwise have been the case, saving many lives that would have been lost if the planned invasion of japan had taken place. Well, my attitude is that if you go to the Army you should be ready to get your Head blown off anyway, and it would have saved many, many Japanese civilian lives.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

You have succeeded, you pissed me, and them off by calling us fags with no balls. Well, then i can just piss you off too!





Take that.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I could now Insert the Michael Moore DVD and make a Propagande pic (Wich your's is too!) showing the Faces of Bush and his Dumb Assistants faces with bonanza hats and clothes and then write "The Backwards and Trigger-Happy Right" under it, but i am to lazy.

Now let's continue with the Serious stuff...

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I'm sorry if you took it personal however you don't discuss things, you preach. Take a look at both our past posts and you'll see I have expressed what I believe to be valid arguments while you post mini books.

SubSerpent does not post "mini books". He Points out that he thinks the decisions of the Republican governement SUCK and are bad. And i agree. All left wing people will agree, because bush did some very right wing things. Like invading Iraq even if the bin Laden sucker was in afganistan, simply because he couldn't do nothing, nor could he invade Afganistan, cause that would have meant no pipeline for little Georgie.

He has valid points, and his "mini books" rule compared to your posts , wich just consist out of "Your wrong, america **** yeah, Republican is teh r0x0rz !!111!".

There are only Americans on the Internet as it seems.

And the People here in austria are even worse. Stupid Right Wing!

"Right" Politics mean thougher laws, Harder Restrictions, Military interventions, and other **** nobody wants. And the Republicans are simply:

1.Conservative (Wich always will suck, because it means begin not open for new better ways)
2.Republican Reign means that not People are in charge, it means money is. And Money has no Ideals, Political Ideas, or Mercy. It only cares how it can get more.
3.I could list some more but i have better things to do and my English sucks, SubSerpent can take that part.

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

Yeah, killing babies and women and other innocents in Iraq is really sane! Whatever dude!

They can't controle thier Soldiers. But no wonder, they just don't care anymore what thier soldiers do down there, if they kill civilians or die, they are just still down there because bush needs an excuse for certain things.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

How old are you? 12?

Ah, the Good 'ol Age argument all Right wing people use if they run out of Arguments or Feel Annoyed.

Wow, my Longest post on the Matter in a while. Can i get a medal for this?
No, because it's still shorter than the Average Skybird posts. Well, no one Managed to beat this intelectuall jet. But i can at least say i tried.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Sea Naz...Sea Demon, i normally do not say things like this, but please make sure we never really meet. I do not think the outcome would be nice for anyone.

Posts like Sea Demon's just above show why Comparing American Republicans to Nazis is not wrong. It proves that it is a correct Comparsion. Currently Sea Demon, our litte Right Wing Radical is on the Position of "Left Wing people are nuts. They shouldn't be walking the streets. They should be in padded cells getting medication.", now let's just imaginery put him one step further thorwards the right. Then he would have said "Left Wing people are nuts, dumb, and gernerally worse compared to the American Republican Master Race. They are Untermenschen and should not be walking on the streets, they are having bad influence on our kids. They should be put in camps getting gas'ed."

Do we want such People to make the decisions on what the Future of this Planet depends, because they are a Superpower?

Most People will say no. Or think that comparsion is a bit drastic because they are hiding in thier glass house, or rather, Nuclear Bunker Named "USA", with Oncle sam telling them storys to candlelight and marshmellows.

Agree totally. But....

Thats your Problem. You don't care how Reckless, Idiotic, Nazi, Aggressive, or Rude your actions seem to the Rest of the World. This is one of the reasons why Europe and US people hate each other so much.

I am leftie too, and i go even one step farer, calling the A-Bomb attack a Inhuman action. The US could have invaded Japan, saving many Civilist lives wich are still lost today due radiation. But no, the US had to test it's new toy.

The Attack of The Japanese Empire was a attack from Military forces on a Military Target, a Military used Harbor. I did some reserch and found out that the attack killed 68 civilians and 2,403 American Military Personell. How much Civilians did the Attack with the A-Bomb cost? I am sure as hell more Civilians then Military!

The US excuse is that the bombings ended the war months sooner than would otherwise have been the case, saving many lives that would have been lost if the planned invasion of japan had taken place. Well, my attitude is that if you go to the Army you should be ready to get your Head blown off anyway, and it would have saved many, many Japanese civilian lives.

You have succeeded, you pissed me, and them off by calling us fags with no balls. Well, then i can just piss you off too!





Take that.

I could now Insert the Michael Moore DVD and make a Propagande pic (Wich your's is too!) showing the Faces of Bush and his Dumb Assistants faces with bonanza hats and clothes and then write "The Backwards and Trigger-Happy Right" under it, but i am to lazy.

Now let's continue with the Serious stuff...

SubSerpent does not post "mini books". He Points out that he thinks the decisions of the Republican governement SUCK and are bad. And i agree. All left wing people will agree, because bush did some very right wing things. Like invading Iraq even if the bin Laden sucker was in afganistan, simply because he couldn't do nothing, nor could he invade Afganistan, cause that would have meant no pipeline for little Georgie.

He has valid points, and his "mini books" rule compared to your posts , wich just consist out of "Your wrong, america **** yeah, Republican is teh r0x0rz !!111!".

There are only Americans on the Internet as it seems.

And the People here in austria are even worse. Stupid Right Wing!

"Right" Politics mean thougher laws, Harder Restrictions, Military interventions, and other **** nobody wants. And the Republicans are simply:

1.Conservative (Wich always will suck, because it means begin not open for new better ways)
2.Republican Reign means that not People are in charge, it means money is. And Money has no Ideals, Political Ideas, or Mercy. It only cares how it can get more.
3.I could list some more but i have better things to do and my English sucks, SubSerpent can take that part.

They can't controle thier Soldiers. But no wonder, they just don't care anymore what thier soldiers do down there, if they kill civilians or die, they are just still down there because bush needs an excuse for certain things.

Ah, the Good 'ol Age argument all Right wing people use if they run out of Arguments or Feel Annoyed.

Wow, my Longest post on the Matter in a while. Can i get a medal for this?
No, because it's still shorter than the Average Skybird posts. Well, no one Managed to beat this intelectuall jet. But i can at least say i tried.

You sure have a thing about Nazis, don't you, I lost count on how many times you mentioned them in your mini book. And yes I am a right winger and a member of the NRA but not a cowboy (Puerto Rican actually). But for all the pissing and moaning you do, you are not in a position to do anything about it. At least I can vote. I am a republican because I don't agree with the Dems policy of raising taxes to provide funds for welfare and other give aways. I almost voted for Clintion the first time around till he said he tried pot but didn't "inhale". That told me he thought the American public was stupid. How he ran his 2 terms prove this. If the Dems provide a viable canidate I might vote for him. You see, I listen to the canidates speeches and make informed decisions based on their plans for the future of the country. I know this sounds strange to you since you are so hung up on Nazis and left wing ideals.

[joea]

Originally Posted by The Noob

I am leftie too, and i go even one step farer, calling the A-Bomb attack a Inhuman action. The US could have invaded Japan, saving many Civilist lives wich are still lost today due radiation. But no, the US had to test it's new toy.

The Attack of The Japanese Empire was a attack from Military forces on a Military Target, a Military used Harbor. I did some reserch and found out that the attack killed 68 civilians and 2,403 American Military Personell. How much Civilians did the Attack with the A-Bomb cost? I am sure as hell more Civilians then Military!

The US excuse is that the bombings ended the war months sooner than would otherwise have been the case, saving many lives that would have been lost if the planned invasion of japan had taken place. Well, my attitude is that if you go to the Army you should be ready to get your Head blown off anyway, and it would have saved many, many Japanese civilian lives.

I am REALLY getting tired of this comaprison, WWII in the Pacific was NOT just between Japan and the United States. Or are 10 million Chinese and however many Koreans and Fillipinos not important??? Well not for a European maybe, I mean you do know the US military certainly killed more German civilians than US civilians killed by German forces (I know in Europe the USAAF tried precision bombing more German civilians were killed by RAF bombing or the Red Army) still you can make your point without distorting history. Pearl Harbour was not an honourable attack against a military target, it's real target was Asia, and purpose to allow the aggression against China and other places to go unchecked. Sort of like Hitler's attack against France and attempt to knock out Great Britain by, while partly to avenge the humiliation of 1918, was mainly to allow Germany to keep the western front quiet to allow Barbarrosa to proceed unmolested. Honestly both sides here are getting hysterical.