Da Vinci Code provokes protests ahead of premiere

[The Avon Lady]

Iceman, quoting from a text that is in denial of another text isn't very impressive.

In any case, G-d never obligated mankind in the Torah's commandments, only the Jews.

In fact, you're not even obligated to abide by the 10 Commandments, only 7. Ain't that a relief!

[kiwi_2005]

Hey Avon, my favourite versus from the old testament. Can you guess who said this:

I applied my heart to know, to search and seek out wisdom and the reason of things, to know the wickedness of folly, even foolishness and madness.

Sorrow is better than laughter, for by sad countenance the heart is made better.

Do not be overly righteous, nor overly wise: why should you destroy yourself.

Do not be overly wicked, nor be foolish: Why should you die before your time.

[The Avon Lady]

King Solomon and I had no need to google.

[kiwi_2005]

King Solomon is one of my favourites. Filthy rich but a good man, not many of those around these days

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Iceman, quoting from a text that is in denial of another text isn't very impressive.

In any case, G-d never obligated mankind in the Torah's commandments, only the Jews.

In fact, you're not even obligated to abide by the 10 Commandments, only 7. Ain't that a relief!

From the link you gave...

The Talmud also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a). Any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as one of "the righteous among the gentiles". Maimonides states that this refers to those who have acquired knowledge of God and act in accordance with the Noahide laws.

This is I guess what Jews and Muslims believe...that Salvation can be earned...Earned by keeping certain commands or killing infidels...Either way it is of works...So I guess a person could boast of himself he earned his way to heaven.

Love was the only command given to Christians.Salvation can't be earned, it is a gift. One cannot "Aquire" the knowledge of God, one must be chosen.,. then choose to receive it.

Matthew 11
[27] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

I Love ya AL

[Rockstar]

I'm cheering for Skybird

[kiwi_2005]

Oh i didn't know we posta take sides? :hmm: Im cheering for noone,.

Im just a dude that reads the book now and then for a bit of inspiration and hopefully some wisdom

[Bertgang]

On my point of wiew, the book is a pleasant decent thriller, but nothing more; not a theological foundation stone, anyway, nor a totally new revelation of unthinkable things.

My only reason of deception was in seeing Aringarosa not guilty, as the killer monk was out of his control.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Iceman

From the link you gave...

This is I guess what Jews and Muslims believe...that Salvation can be earned...Earned by keeping certain commands or killing infidels...

There is only minimal equation between Jewish laws of blasphemy and Islamic laws.

How did you draw another conclusion from the above quote?

BTW, just a reminder, for your point of view:

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
- Matthew 12:31 (KJV)

Either way it is of works...So I guess a person could boast of himself he earned his way to heaven.

I fail to comprehend what your point is here.

Love was the only command given to Christians.Salvation can't be earned, it is a gift. One cannot "Aquire" the knowledge of God, one must be chosen.,. then choose to receive it.

Matthew 11
[27] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

You know, you have yet to respond to my earlier questions regarding the verses in Deuteronomy and how Christians could possibly hold there's anything worthwile respecting in the Torah, known to you as the Old Testament.

I Love ya AL

I sincerely hope you're not violating the spirit of the book you claim to believe in:

Ye [Jews] are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye [Jews] will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
- John 8:44 (KJV)

[Iceman]

Laws were meant to show sin in it's true light.Your question earlier which I really have no idea what you speak about, Christians do not discount the old testament but it is just that to us...old.Jesus Christ the one you deny, who was nothing more than a blasmephier and such, it is by His blood that we believe our salvation comes from.Hence the word "New Testament" ,not from one word of the old testament or however many lambs were to sacrificed only the Lamb of God Himself was a worthy enough and acceptable offering for the sin of man. This is all nothing new to you, and as I speak with you I have to thank you.I only begin to bareley understand what Christians of old and Jesus Himself went thru in speaking to Jews in particular.Truly only God Himself can open eyes to see and ears to hear... all in sweet time.

Peace Avon Lady.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Laws were meant to show sin in it's true light.

Since the Torah was handed down to Israel almost a millenia before Jesus existed and Israel was commanded to keep its laws and statutes, on what do you base this sudden negation of a status quo that knows no such prescedent?

Your question earlier which I really have no idea what you speak about, Christians do not discount the old testament but it is just that to us...

Well, simply explain how G-d can command that Israel is to obey the Torah commandments ad infinitum and then comes along a new religion a 1000 years later and says G-d changed his mind.

old.Jesus Christ the one you deny, who was nothing more than a blasmephier and such, it is by His blood that we believe our salvation comes from.

Had you tried saying this to Jews at Jesus' time, they wouldn't have an inkling of what you're talking about. Which leads to the question how can anyone be blames for rejecting a new fangled religious philosophy that was totally bizarre to Israel and in contevention of what G-d had already commanded them to believe and do?

Hence the word "New Testament" ,not from one word of the old testament

Well, there's plenty of plagiarizing in the NT from the Torah. There was no such terminology as "Old Testament" until Christianity evolved and compiled a new one anyway. The point here is mute.

or however many lambs were to sacrificed only the Lamb of God Himself was a worthy enough and acceptable offering for the sin of man. This is all nothing new to you,

I will again use the word "bizarre" to describe this philosophy vis-a-vis the Torah. Of course, ways of the Lord are straight, and the righteous shall walk in them, and the rebellious shall stumble on them.if you're referring to something like the sacrifice of Isaac, this is what happens when you warp its facts to fit your story. Again, these concepts are non-starters to Jews from the time of Abraham (actually since Adam and Eve) through the present.

and as I speak with you I have to thank you.I only begin to bareley understand what Christians of old and Jesus Himself went thru in speaking to Jews in particular.Truly only God Himself can open eyes to see and ears to hear... all in sweet time.

Who is wise and will understand these, discerning and will know them; for the ways of the Lord are straight, and the righteous shall walk in them, and the rebellious shall stumble on them.
- Hoshea 14:10