What are they thinking?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Under comrade stalin, there was discipline! Discipline and order are needed amont citizens to Sucsesfully running a Country. And most people had sometihng to eat.
:hmm:

Tell that to the people in Ukraine 1932-1933 millions killed in the largest national catastrophe of the Ukrainian nation in modern history, the famine was caused by the deliberate policies of the government of the Soviet Union.

[GreyOctober]

Need a refresher Noob? HERE:

The crimes of Communism

According to Stéphane Courtois, writing in the introduction to The Black Book of Communism, using a rather liberal definition of crime, approximately 100 million deaths have resulted from the crimes of Communism over its 85 year history. He includes 20 million deaths in the Soviet Union including executions of hostages and prisoners without trial and killing of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants during the period of 1918 to 1922; the famine of 1922, five million deaths; the extermination and deportation of the Don Cossacks, 1920; killing of 100s of thousands in concentration camps, 1918 to 1930; liquidation of 690,00 during the Great Purge; deportation of 2 million kulaks 1930-1932; deaths of 4 million Ukrainians and 2 million others during the induced famine of 1932-1933; deportation of hundreds of thousands of Poles, Ukrainians, Balts, Moldovans and Bessarabians 1939-1941 and 1944-1945; deportation of the Volga Germans, 1941; deportation of the Crimean Tatars, 1943; deportation of the Chechens, 1944; and deportation of the Ingush, 1944. He also includes 65 million deaths in the People's Republic of China, many in the famine associated with the Great Leap Forward; 1 million in Vietnam; 2 million in Cambodia, one fourth of the population; 1 million in Eastern Europe; 150,000 in Latin America; 1.7 million in Africa; 1.5 million in Afganistan; and 10,000 by Communist parties not in power and the international Communist movement.

How about 30 years of communism in Romania brought us to our knees and the fact that we may need another 30-40 years to recover?

What are YOU thinking?!

[The Noob]

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[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Noob

So What?
Those he killed were either Traitors, or enemeys of war!
No Mercy with Facists!

You really must learn your history.

Millions were killed and were innocent.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by STEED

You really must learn your history.

He most probably has a great Pravda back-issue collection.

[The Noob]

...and now it morphs into flaming...

Anyway, i go to sleep now, so i will post answeres tomorrow if i wake up.

Goodnight.

[bradclark1]

Noob,
Have you read a biography of Stalin? I'd say you haven't. Stalin was not a communist. He was one of the worlds bloodiest tyrants plain and simple.

[Ducimus]

I can't beleive i took the time to write a couple responses back in this thread. I want those 10 mins of my life back! What a waste!

[Oberon]

I have three words:

What the F**k?

Noob...which side of Germany do you live in...East or West? Admittedly that's a moot point now.
Now, I'm a left-wing kinda guy, I like the idea of Communism and the idea of everyone being equal...but this isn't an equal world and no matter what you do, there's always going to be one man who reckons he's better and bigger than everyone else, and there'll always be the sheep that follow him (or indeed for that matter, her).
In an ideal world Communism would work, and work well...but this isn't an ideal world, far from it.
I hate to break this to you, but Stalin betrayed the revolution, he worked himself in the shadows, moving around in jobs that no-one wanted, heck, I'm not gonna deny that the guy worked hard and perhaps, to some extent he helped get Russia through the 'Great Patriotic War' but for humanitarian crimes, he was up there with the other guy, and the control he, as one man, had over the country...I sincerely doubt that is true communism.
Like I said, this ain't a perfect world, and it's occupants aren't either.

[STEED]

Wow what a statement oberon is really off.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by STEED

Wow what a statement oberon is really off.

Nah, I'm just warming up

I just hate it when people get so blinkered through nationalistic pride (or the belief that one form of government is superior to another) that they cast aside all logical thought and choose not to see the facts as they are presented to them. We know the crimes against humanity commited under Stalins regime, whether or not this was done with Stalins precise authorisation is a little harder to know or whether it was more the actions of the 'yes men' (or indeed 'Da taravichs', if I've written that right) around him, although with that many people being killed some word would have had to have gotten through to him.
It's attitudes like this that let history repeat itself.

Noob, you are quite welcome to your own opinions, this is a democratic nation or so it says on the tin, but just consider whether you'd be writing on the internet, on a computer in your home under the regime of someone like Stalin, or if you did, whether you'd be allowed to talk to people on the other side of the 'Iron Curtain', or indeed allowed to know the truth of things going on over here.
For a good example of communism in the modern age, go to China.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4088702.stm

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/24/D8FBCF686.html

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,56195,00.html

[STEED]

Very well said.

[August]

This topic has been seriously derailed. I'm just sayin...

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by August

This topic has been seriously derailed. I'm just sayin...

Back on topic:

Amir Taheri sticks to his original story.

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I hate to break this to you, but Stalin betrayed the revolution, he worked himself in the shadows, moving around in jobs that no-one wanted, heck, I'm not gonna deny that the guy worked hard and perhaps, to some extent he helped get Russia through the 'Great Patriotic War' but for humanitarian crimes, he was up there with the other guy, and the control he, as one man, had over the country...I sincerely doubt that is true communism.

You are right. I just Read a Book today about Communism and the Soviet leaders.

It really opened my Eyes on Stalin.
But i'm Still a Commie.

And one more thing: Don't be so negative Oberon. It destroys you slowly.

Now we can go back to Topic. :P