France is on fire, again.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Exocet25fr

About French Elections: Today Marine LE PEN is the favorite, and i'm glad with that....!

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In Germany, the conservatives on national level form a party union, formed by the CDU and the bavarian CSU which in state elections only starts in Bavaria. I read two days ago a recent poll where they counted the CSU out of the union, only the CDU on national elections. Alone, the CDU would be beaten by the AFD by 1 point now, with the AfD then forming the strongest party.

The AfD has also recently won its first mayoral seat and its first district administrator post (a mayor with a bit more land on it...) in the East, two small and god-forsaken places nobody ever had heard of. The Berlin parties are now trying tricks to annul the election. Not for the first time. The AfD emerges stronger and can then also play the role of victim.

(That this means much is in question, since the SED ("Die Linke") gets split by her fallen superstar Sarah Wageknecht. She is popular with voters of the AfD, and if she continues with her plan to form her own party, she will steal many votes from the AfD - weakening them both.

Most votersd of the AfD are no Nazis, but are people who have their noses full of the established parties. They do not vote necessarily for the AfD's policies when giving them their vote, especially not outside Eastern states, but they vote against the established parties.

In Italy, Finland, Sweden, and other places, the traditional parties' power erodes everywhere, bringing stricter conservative and right parties to power.

And then there is Eastern Europe.

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[Jimbuna]

Macron has certainly been weakened by the current crisis and his biggest problem could well be that he still has four years to run.

[Skybird]

Maybe thats a problem not so much for Macron but for the French.

[Jimbuna]

Could well be when you consider the alternative....Le Pen

[mapuc]

France and rest of western Europe has come to point-of-no-return, so voting for Le Pen, AfD and other right wing parties has no effect. They should have been elected decades ago.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not an opinion the majority have agreed with for decades apparently.

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

It remains to be seen whether the right alternatives in various countries has the quality it takes to govern a nation. For the German AfD, I think it spossib le they can govern on the local and regional level without blwoiung everything up, on the national level i have my doubts, I see their merit more in that they may have the power and force it takes to destroy the currently existing party tyranny and the enormous, voluminous damages it does. Fighting fire with fire, so to speak. Italy's Meloni so far acts with for more reason and predictability than was previously expected, to what degree Le Pen that would copy I dare not to predict. The Scandinavians have started to collect experiences with right govenrments, too, we will see what comes from that.

These sort of governments are useless anyway if they do not lead to fundamental confrontation and cutting back of the EU.

The AfD's Alice Weidel does not give me the impression to be able to be en par with Meloni and Le Pen.

The Germna party tried to contain the AfD be erecting a firewall and boycotting it. This strategy has completely failed, continuing with it will lead nowhere expect further groth for the AfD. Germany ,must come to terms with accepting it as a normal that in Germany, like in all other European countries, the right will claim a place in the political spectrum like all othger parties. And who knows, it may be that the AfD quickly disenchants itself when it occupies offices but then fails because of its incompetence in office. Same may be true for the Front Nationale in France.

Or they do a good or even better job than the previous parties. Then what would be the problem?

My main concern is not the damage a "what if" scenario may bring in the future - my main concern is the existentially dangerous damage done and incompetence and megalomania shown by the parties that currently are already in command.


Best would be if all parties, no matter their orientation, get banned alltogether, and only individuals are allowed to candidate. The existence of political parties is part of the core problem, because due to their egoism and intrigues to secure power they conspire for the destruction of democratic rules and hijackthe state and turn it their playground and prey. In Germany we currently witness another example for this, the cionstituional high court has just banned the government from breaking profound rules of parliamentarism just because it would have helped the Greens and the SPD at the upcoming various state elections . Political parties are a pest.

[Gorpet]

[QUOTE=Skybird;2874328]Thats what you get if you import plenty of migrants from a Muslim country that the native population does not want and never wanted. All complaints about this not being politically incorrect, are meaningless. Truth is what the media in a simplified way call "racism", stems from this simple truth. France imported so many Algerian migrants, last but not least for a bad conscience due to their war, that natives' sentiments clash with cultural-ideological differences. The result is not poltically correct, but the reality, and it is human, all aroudn the world: resentment by the native local population which got fed what it never wanted, at least not at these dimensions.



Progressive dont realise this because it does not fit their ideological worldview of all humans being equal and of one and the same kind. They maybe should be equal before a court, but they certainly are not all of the same kind. Not culturally, not socially, not regarding mentlaity, not even regarding certain metabolical factors. Never were equal, never will be.



Damn, now


Don't take in immigrants that can't speak your language,are not willing to accept your country's culture and laws as they are. If they have no work skills and no money to support themselves and all their family members that are sure to follow....Send them BACK. If they want what your country has...let them fight and change their own governments. First world countries have been built on the bodies of their own citizens who fought each other for their country's destiny.There's no other way,..you can't accept kindness and help from other countries and then destroy their cities,beatdown citizens,rob and pillage at will,unless you had no respect for them in the first place. If that is the case,it is time for you to go BACK to your own homeland.

[Jimbuna]

[Reece]

More Russian diatribe!!

[Jimbuna]

Yeah, something like that

[Exocet25fr]

Ukraine Link to French Riots?, I don't believe that too...!

Now to Gorpet...

[Rockstar]

All I know is Arabic speakers were in France over 1300 years ago so they have every right to invade/migrate and create new borders within France. Maybe the UN can accommodate this to ensure a peaceful resolution. Of course if France refuses then maybe these Arabic speakers should initiate a Special Military Operation and launch cluster munitions at Frenchmen until they submit. And if the French fight back then they should be condemned for not negotiating peace.

[Jimbuna]

^ OH, that was brutal