A Bunch of Young Lawyers are Suing Their Law Schools Because They Don't Have Jobs

that was Christopher Latham Sholes in the 1870's

Not to be confused with Leather Soles the famous cobbler who once had an arguement about music with Oliver Hardy which elicited the famous line...
"you ain't been with Stan so you don't know nothing, we walked the walk on the trail of the lonesome pine and you ain't never even been in Virginia so STFU"

[Takeda Shingen]

Thanks Tribesman and Hottentot. I needed a little levity on the matter and you both provided. It's why I love this community.

Please accept these complimentary vouchers which entitle each of you to one free asterisk swear. There is no expiry, so think hard about where you want to use them.

[NeonSamurai]

Just make sure you read the fine print on the vouchers

Anyhow Takeda's points are valid. Make sure you do all the research, before you put down any cash. Also make sure you have a plan for when you graduate and are taking steps to get there before graduation.

I finished an undergrad degree in psychology almost a year ago. It took me about 6 months to find work in the field. Most of the people I know who also graduated are either still unemployed, or not employed in the field. The only reason why I was able to find employment was that I had done the legwork necessary, starting halfway through my degree. I started volunteering at different places, I built relationships with my professors and employers so that I would have top notch references, and a ton of other things.

I recently got early admission to the graduate school of my choice in clinical social work (it's a little Ivy League school, considered by many to be the top in the field in North America). Again it was careful planning and action over many years that got me there. I am very familiar with the field, the degree gives me a great deal of flexibility as far as employment opportunities, and there is always a demand (particularly back in Canada, as there are only a handful of Canadian universities offering the clinical specialization).

There are so many fly by night for profit trade schools out there its not even funny (Be especially suspicious of the ones that advertize like mad). For most of them, the certificate offered isn't even worth the paper it is printed on to employers.

As for the students, I wish them luck if their allegations are true. False advertising is a crime last I looked (though difficult to prove). I don't think universities, colleges, and trade schools should be permitted to publish skewed statistics (even if they cover themselves in the fine print). At the same time though, I don't feel a huge amount of sympathy for them, just as I don't for my fellow classmates... they didn't do the necessary leg work.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Please accept these complimentary vouchers which entitle each of you to one free asterisk swear. There is no expiry, so think hard about where you want to use them.

Does that mean the next time I see *sterisk swe*ring I get to put on my best fake German accent and say "Vouchers, please?"

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That does not make any sense you are assuming that they chose the school based on that reason even though it does not say anywhere that they did.More than likely they made their chose based on numerous factors.I find it a little hard to believe that you did not take such statics into consideration who is going to attended a law school that has few alumni practicing law?

What was your determining factor then which school had the highest prestige that you could get into? Which prestige still largely reflects to some extent alumni having good jobs at least some of them.

Every educational institution to some extent whats you to feel as though you will get a job because you attended that is the whole idea of post secondary education in the first place.

I'd be careful about being so smug Bubblehead you are not even finished with law school yet you might have as hard a time finding a job as a lawyer as they are.You may not
file a lawsuit against your school but you still are going to enter a highly competitive and saturated field you are about to enter an ocean loaded with fish.

I selected the best school I was accepted to, just so happened to be where I wanted to go anyway . I define best as how tough it is to be admitted, namely one's GPA/LSAT in addition to the school's reputation etc Did I look at the post grad employment statistics etc? sure, did I count them as a major factor? absolutely not. I am well aware that having a JD from a great school does not always equate into a great position right out the door.I worked at a law firm for about a year before law school, learned a lot, to say the least.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet according to yourself you chose a law school where all the staff don't know anything about law, havn't done anything in the legal business world and are only doing political indocrination of the students who as it happens are all brainless.
So what exactly was your criteria in choosing the school?

Seems that you will write anything in an attempt to discount me, must be personal for you, grow up scooter.Taking my comments about academia in general being left leaning(which is an undeniable fact) and trying to equate them with me saying all my professors, fellow students etc are brainless, well it is just a bit much.

indocrination?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That is true I forgot about his previous complaints about how "leftie-pinko-commie" all the professors are.He will probably sue his school for having a leftie-commie agenda.

A more realistic person when taking into consideration the current job market in general would be wise when seeking higher education to have the goal of making themselves as marketable as possible in numerous fields and be willing when young and inexperienced to take lower paying jobs.My mother majored in the Arts but she only held a job as an art teacher for 2 years the rest of her 35 year teaching career she was an English teacher.

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

Do you have documented proof of their involvement with Communist parties? It would shatter our society as a whole.

God forbid.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Do you have documented proof of their involvement with Communist parties? It would shatter our society as a whole.

God forbid.

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

[nikimcbee]

@ bubblehead, what kind of law are you looking to get into?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

Heh. I can remember a couple of instructors who let on about their political leanings, but neither of them ever pushed it on us. Most people I know don't really talk much about where they stand anyway, and even if they did I probably wouldn't notice or care. To each his own, and God help us all this election year -- methinks the outlook is pretty grim right now.

Seems that you will write anything in an attempt to discount me, must be personal for you, grow up scooter.Taking my comments about academia in general being left leaning(which is an undeniable fact) and trying to equate them with me saying all my professors, fellow students etc are brainless, well it is just a bit much.

indocrination?

But bubbles you have been very very specific both about the staff at your school and all the other students at your school.

You must be a complete *****(terms and conditions applied) if you are trying to pass off your specific claims as somehow vauge generalisations.
Don't you remember saying that all your fellow students were brainless drones who were unable to string a sentence together and were completely unable to give an intelligible reply on topics
Yet now amazingly they are at a school which only takes the cream of the crop

BTW you used the word "fact" again where it doesn't apply

I think I see the problem here, you make up so much pure bullexcrement that you cannot remember the bull you have written.
You are just like that other wingnut youngster a while ago from the chalkboard of conspiracy who made a pile of silly claims to big himself up, like how he was working three jobs. Remind us again what your occupation "was" as someone in "the business" before you entered school and how that claim unravelled for ya

Again, I was not talking about all my professors

bubbles bubbles bubbles, repeating your lies again in the next post doesn't make them any more true.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Again, I was not talking about all my professors, just that fact that academia is dominated by left wingers and many use their positions to spread that failed ideology.Not all, but many and yes I have had some professors who are commies, both in law school and undergrad.

Fair enough but it sure seemed like you where speaking about your current professors not your past ones the language in that Obama impeaching thread seemed to be applying your past and current experience.I am not so sure that you can say that a person is a true communist unless they actually say so from their mouth that they are.In my experience I have only met some Italians in Italy that where actually members of the Italian Communist party and that party is much more local and regional.Perhaps you have had professors that had a very liberal leaning which is all together quite different from a full blown communist.But that seems to be your world view and I would argue that both sides left and right spend a lot of time in various manners to promote their views to the masses so to speak so with that in mind it is not a bad idea to take anything you hear or see with a grain of salt keeping in mind that someone is putting their point of view on it everyone has an agenda.The notion any person a certain degree or for to the left is a pinko-commie is an overstatement I would consider it equally unfair to say that a certain degree right leaning person is a Fascist and some left learners do make this claim both sides do this to scare tactic which is poor behavior and serves only to divide people.

I was not trying to show you ill will about getting a good job though but you did come across as a little smug with your sympathy comment some of those Brooklyn Law school grads may well have also worked with law firms and made connections.Interning is not a guarantee of employment in the future necessarily.

I know one of my young cousins she started working at a law firm as a part time job in high school and got interested in paralegal work she interned and worked part time for a few different firms and it still took her almost 2 years to find employment as a paralegal.Granted a paralegal is not a lawyer but I think that the 1-2 year job search is easily the standard unless you are working in a low skills required job.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

But bubbles you have been very very specific both about the staff at your school and all the other students at your school.

You must be a complete *****(terms and conditions applied) if you are trying to pass off your specific claims as somehow vauge generalisations.
Don't you remember saying that all your fellow students were brainless drones who were unable to string a sentence together and were completely unable to give an intelligible reply on topics
Yet now amazingly they are at a school which only takes the cream of the crop

BTW you used the word "fact" again where it doesn't apply

I think I see the problem here, you make up so much pure bullexcrement that you cannot remember the bull you have written.
You are just like that other wingnut youngster a while ago from the chalkboard of conspiracy who made a pile of silly claims to big himself up, like how he was working three jobs. Remind us again what your occupation "was" as someone in "the business" before you entered school and how that claim unravelled for ya



bubbles bubbles bubbles, repeating your lies again in the next post doesn't make them any more true.

Please, get help.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I had a professor on the first day of class said he was "liberal". He's a great guy and he wasn't foaming at the mouth type. Ironically, he didn't push his ideology.

Not all actively push their agenda, but you can see the slant in their teaching.Then again, there are some(but few) who try to stay neutral.