If you dont like the online DRM...

[GoldenRivet]

... perhaps you could explain the FACTS to us all here.

no opinions.

just FACTS by answering these questions:




1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

... perhaps you could explain the FACTS to us all here.

no opinions.

just FACTS by answering these questions:




1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

4. Service might be free, but who can guarantee that UBI will not be asking to pay extra for patches/updates/addons in the future to be able to download, thus draining out customers who already payed full price for the very first release.

[GoldenRivet]

LOL let me help.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

1. Do i have to have the game disk to play?

Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

2. Will save games be saved on my PC?

Yes

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

3. If i lose connection, will i have to start all the way over back in port?

No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

4. Does the service, by itself, cost anything (per month, etc)?

No

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

5. Does UBI install any spyware, malware or fishy software to monitor my online experience?

No




So.....

whats the big deal?

[Q3ark]

[karamazovnew]

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been. We don't know yet if we can then save offline and upload the save to the server.

But the big deal for me is that right now I spend 3-4 days a week away from home. I travel a lot on trains that have electrical sockets, but no net. I can play SH3 just fine on my laptop but I won't be able to play SH5. Sure I could play it at home if I weren't too busy "giving flowers" to my girlfriend. Oh well, SH3 it is then...

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

You're wrong GR. On nr. 3, if you loose net connection the game freezes and waits. If you quit, you can only load the last save, wherever it may have been.

source, because thats not what i read at ubi.

GR I wish you luck but I'm affraid you won't change the tide much. Ppl actually don't want to be attached to internet when they play career and furthermore they don;t want to be dependent from internet connectivity since this might and will interfere with natural gameplay. I deffinetly don't want the game to be paused if I suddenly loose ic. This makes no sence at all.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

LOL let me help.



Nope, your game disc can be shelved to protect it from scratches and other damages.



Yes



No, you will start right back where you left off when the connection was lost.



No



No




So.....

whats the big deal?

This is the big deal.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=23

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

-People who simply want to buy a game with no strings attached.

Read your EULA on ANY game you have ever installed

No strings attached commercial software does not exist that im aware of.

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

-People who have no internet connection (either a gaming PC, or navy people in deployment and so on).

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

As for people on deployment... i would imagine that SHV will just be on a long list of games they wont be able to play unfortunate as that really is.

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

-People who just have a not so stable connection, if your game pauses for anywhere between 5 and 30 minutes everytime there's bad weather or whatever connection issue it's not going to make anybody happy.

While this is true... it brings this image to mind.



(some folks need to roll with the punches and grow up and realize that this scenario is VERY RARE.)

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

People who tell others that "this is modernity and if you don't have 27/7 broadband you shouldn't be playing hi-end games", well they're full of ****. The only requirement for a hi-end solo game is a hi-end computer, and those are available regardless of internet coverage. Internet is as relevant to solo gaming as my oven is to my toaster.

an excellent point.

but... you have these options

1. buy the game and deal with it

2. dont buy the game and sulk

3. Do either 1 or 2 but in the mean time, stop crying and whining at subsim about it, it is not our fault and nobody here can do anything about it.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So those without internet connection then... I guess nobody will be travelling back to 1984 and playing SHV... bummer

-People who have a connection paid per hour (dialup, some broadband services etc). If you play your weekly 5 hours of SH5 it's going to raise the bill significantly.

People still do this???

Dude get back down to earth. There are people out there:

Without Internet connection, people that get services w/ quota.
And there are people that want to play the game without needing a connection. (Out at a summer house, on the road, at a coffee shop where there is paid internet, etc..)

[GoldenRivet]

I completely understand all of the frustrations, really i do.

However, i fail to see what complaining will really do for you besides maybe raise your blood pressure.

Ubi is NOT your friend.

Ubi is a corporation out to make money

dont be delusional about it.

If Ubisoft decides this is the best way for them to protect their bottom line, they have had hundreds of meetings about it before any announcment was ever made... thats the choice they have made, if you chose not to buy the game, all good and well, i have yet to make up my mind as there are no accurate and available reviews of the game... however, stinking up the place is not going to help either way

thats the whole point im trying to make

[TwistedFemur]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So.....

whats the big deal?

Well, If its anything like Rise of Flight were in the middle of a mission a box appears saying "Error Lost connection to Master Server"
Next thing you know your staring at the hanger screen with a dead pilot and no credit for the kills you spent the last half hour racking up.

You might not have to start your campaign over again, but you sure as snot have to start that mission over again.

and if for some reason you dont pay your internet bill and it gets shut off you cant play it

Nope constant internet connection to play singleplayer is a deal breaker for me.

<EDIT> oh and it takes between 3 to 5 minutes for Rise of Flight to load, even between missions.

[FIREWALL]

I don't lease games(SIMS) I buy them. Get it ?


I hope the ones who are a little slow on the uptake on this website can get how the majority here and elsewhere feel.

If various languages don't get thru to you. USE TRANSLATE.

[Task Force]

anouther question... so your in the middle of a convoy, near ship(s) Oah nos! server connection lost... save, try to restart, and you soon find that 5 has the same save game bug 3&4 had... Im sure this game has a chance to have this bug...

Now your sol...

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Great point Task Force ! I used this one in another thread,

If I spend four hours to get into a convoy, at periscope depth, and my connection is lost, the game will pause. They said it will save the game for me, cool ! But when I reload the game, if it is like anyother SH, it will start me on the surface, then I get my butt handed to me by an entire convoy while I try to crashdive. That is if it works the way they say it does in the first place. Face it, the entire SH series has been void of a safe save the game anytime you want feature since I don't know when.