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03-24-21, 04:47 PM | #6736 |
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India "temporarily" suspends export of AZ vaccine, saying it has need for them itself due to rising case numbers.
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03-24-21, 05:08 PM | #6737 |
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Greed
or Enlightened Self Interest?
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03-24-21, 05:12 PM | #6738 |
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^ "Land of hope and glory"
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03-24-21, 06:48 PM | #6739 |
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03-24-21, 07:23 PM | #6740 |
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Real funny. Shall we talk about what YOUR land is known for?
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03-24-21, 07:36 PM | #6741 |
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So if we go by the above chart then greedy, enlightened self interest capitalism IS good.
Makin' money AND savin' lives On a side note China may have a vaccine too. But how much you want to bet their government has absolutely interest in ensuring everyone of their citizens is vaccinated?
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03-25-21, 02:05 AM | #6742 |
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Oh there are a few positive traits and history, but even so what does this have to do with me? Do i hold you personally accountable for the invention of the Edison bulb, or for centuries of slavery and indian reservations or Guantanamo?
And i do like most of Elgar's works, having one of the Proms' concerts live CD maybe meanwhile i heard it a bit too often. And I was referring to Rockstar's "greed" post as the arrow indicated I do not think that greed is good, ambition is.
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03-25-21, 05:27 AM | #6743 |
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Ambition comes not from nothing. Greed can be one of its motivators.
Greed coupled with self control. That is it. Like gas and brake pedal in a car.
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03-25-21, 06:02 AM | #6744 |
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So you are perfectly ok with the UK and Astra Zenca breaking the treaty?
Fot the umpteenth time: The AZ vaccine delivery commitment of the UK and the EU are exactly the same. "Where there may be a significant difference is in which markets the drug company is prioritizing. Soriot confirmed to La Repubblica that his company had agreed to supply the UK before other markets, saying it was "fair enough" because the UK had reached an agreement with AstraZeneca earlier than the EU. But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract." Johnson supported this and tried to hide the treaty "British officials had earlier declined to provide the contract to CNN, making no mention of the redacted version, and have repeatedly refused to give details on the country's vaccine supplies, citing "security reasons." A junior UK government minister said in a recent interview that publishing the contract would risk national security." So you cheer that one side broke the treaty and proposed a tit for tat, so the EU behave in the same manner. Maybe it should. The yellow press and Murdoch's smear campaigns are up and running anyway, so why not
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03-25-21, 06:13 AM | #6745 |
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I am not respnsible for the eU's decision to dreamdance through surreally ambitioned negotiations and not payong closest attention to the preicse wording of the treaties it signs.
The UK does, different to the EU, what it has to do to prtect its citiezns and get the stuff into their arms. Come. What. May. And thats how it is to be done under these circumstances. Paper and ink, ideals and ambitions will do nothign for you. Only will power, detemrination and ongoing drive. All of whcih the pltlical actors i berlin and Brussel are terribly lacking - instead demandign the tohers to demaage their citizens so to help decieving their own over our leaderships failure. You are dreaming of a different world, Catfish. Eat or get eaten. As de Gaulle said: "States have no friends. States have interests." Live with it or protest against it, it does not matter, you will not change it. And the more youn want to reglate things for the beter in your definition, the more you become an evil yourself, not different than that you claim to fight against. Note that Grmany not only fails in vaccination. We even fail in mass testing now. Nothing works together. We still babble about needing to prepare testing and get started next onth, or the mont after - others already test like crazy, again having us left in the dust. The brits had a terrible and awful start. Now they lead, and by a huge margin. And thereby make the morally lamenting EU looking ridiculous. Other EU natios have the nose full of it, too, try to cooperate with Israel, China, Russia. The eU will get out of this all severly damaged and with a huge loss of remaingn trust and a huge growth of scepticism. I like that. Im not sorry. P.S. You must not endlessly quote that treaty and the times of signing it. I was the first in this forum posting it, when it became known. Still Johnson somehow managed to get the good stuff, and it is not relevant whether he complies with rules or not: becasue he gets his people vaccinated, and that is what must count for any government. You better do not call out the breaking of rules if you have not the power to sanction the breaching of them, you make look yourself pathetic that way. What I mean is: neither moral nor appeal are repclament for strength and potence to act - no matter what the others does, says, wants, claims. The strong has the degrees of freedom to chose. He can do somehtign or he can choose not to do it. The weak has this decision freedom not, he suffers what he must. And states moral tirades. I am not one bit surprised that China, Russia, USA, UK play it tough. I never expected anything else than right this.
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03-25-21, 07:21 AM | #6746 |
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I beg your pardon?
Again EU and UK signed the same treaties with Astra Zeneca, the EU even before. So the UK playing foul is perfectly ok and it is all the EU's fault because it followed signed treaties? Everyone for himself, teeth and claws? Wasn't it you quoting the "pacta sunt servanda"? The icing on the cake is that the UK received the german vaccine from BionTech before the Astra Zeneca ones, and clown Boris expresses his Schadenfreude. I do not see this as a win for the UK in the long run, not because of a still higher death rate in the UK, but because of trust lost. How do you think smaller states in the EU would fare if they had tried to negotiate all this alone? It is clear more people in Europe would have died that way. The EU promised to equally spread the vaccine, also to them. It is not a failure of the organisation and distribution, there just is not enough vaccine, and you know why. Maybe you think it is "nice" that the EU got cheated, but this cheating originated elsewhere, and the world paid close attention. I agree that learning this lesson was necessary, but after all it's the UK Alleingang that causes the problem with the rollout and Astra Zeneca. The treaties, hoarding, "national security" LMAO! The UK broke the treaty and stole it, nothing to whitewash about this. Learn the lesson.
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03-25-21, 07:33 AM | #6747 |
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The divcferenc ebetween you and me is that I deal with the world as it is and you deal with your idea of how you think it should be.
It tick much more sober and simple than you presume. To me it snot so much the idea that changes the world, but the deed carried out, and its wanted or unwanted real effects. And I think this part of our conversations has become repetitive and unproductive. Meanwhile, and you probably will hate the subject, der Spiegel writes: British Minister of Health grants preferential treatment from AstraZeneca "Our contract trumps them": The British health minister has admitted that AstraZeneca privileged his country vis-à-vis the EU. Hancock refers to contract law. The admission comes at a sensitive time: While 29 million apparently hoarded AstraZeneca vaccine doses have been tracked down in Italy, UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock has given his country preferential treatment by the British-Swedish pharmaceutical company. "I believe that free trading nations follow contract law," Hancock told the Financial Times. “Our contract trumps them. It's called contract law and it's clear, «he said, referring to the dispute between the EU and AstraZeneca over the reduced delivery quantities. The conflict recently intensified again with the discovery of millions of vaccine doses in Italy - and fueled the debate about export bans from the EU. At the beginning of March, Italy blocked the export of AstraZeneca vaccine for the first time and applied a specially created EU export mechanism. The EU has a contract that only guarantees "best efforts" on the part of the vaccine manufacturer, while London has stipulated exclusivity. Hancock warned Brussels against imposing export restrictions on vaccines. That would be a serious mistake, said the conservative politician. Life sciences companies would move to the UK, not a protectionist EU. "From Great Britain you can export anywhere in the world - we will never put a stop to that." This attitude fits the hopes of many Brexit supporters of developing London into a "Singapore on the Thames": with strong deregulation of financial market rules and low taxes. The EU complains that while millions of vaccine doses have been delivered from the continent to Great Britain in the past few months, almost nothing has gone in the opposite direction. Hancock stressed discussions with the EU about this being "cooperative, practice-oriented and collaborative". The heads of state and government of the EU want to discuss the vaccine shortage on Thursday. AstraZeneca had drastically cut its delivery commitment several times and pointed out difficulties in production. Great Britain is hardly affected by this. Tja tja. Who slept and who was clever here? I would absolutely welcome a Singapore at the Thames. Because if anything, this would be what could and must force the EU to change and lower the endless centralization and hyper-regulation (and in Germany: the abstruse over-taxation) inside the EU that gags creativity, entrepreneurship and economic growth more and more, and paralyses everything and everyone. Especially in Germany. If I were to found a company and had a big business idea - first thing in my plan always would be to flee out of the EU.
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03-25-21, 08:27 AM | #6748 |
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"Our contract trumps them" read "Me big swinger of bones, you inferior"
In reality: Both signed same contract, published, broken treaty. "From Great Britain you can export anywhere in the world - we will never put a stop to that." You can also export anything from the EU, and the UK will not be able to put a stop to that either. Nothing to object your first part or the rest, especially our sounding like a broken record But regarding "Singapore on Thames" it seems not all see it that way https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...ining-momentum https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/01...firms-leaving/ https://translate.google.com/transla...ar-sitzen.html Mr Rees-Mogg shifted his business to South Ireland, Mr. Dyson left and preferred the real Singapore after brexit, but then it's a company and not a bank. But all this is stuff for another thread.
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03-25-21, 12:44 PM | #6750 |
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I had met the new neighbors yesterday none of us wore masks either AND I shook their hands as I welcomed them. Afterwards we stood around and shot the breeze for about 15 minutes well within 6 feet of each other. They're coming over for dinner tonight. Does that make us anti-science, super spreaders, should we be ashamed of our actions?
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