The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 4

Letum · 01-26-10, 11:15 PM

Don't forget danger deep.

Barra1 · 01-27-10, 04:54 AM

the way I see it is that the price of piracy is factored into the price of the software. It is a garbage argument to say piracy cost's us this much blah, blah, blah. Sorry Ubi but the way I see it is if we are to continue to put up with this sort of rot then surely this will be the cheapest Silent Hunter ever as the community will no longer have to foot the bill for piracy. "Sorry what was that? You were just going to add it to the bottom line of your profits were you?"

rea00cy · 01-27-10, 07:17 AM

To me, this is the last nail in the coffin for SH5...

and remember.... the hate you'll take is = to the hate you give....

Danji · 01-27-10, 07:33 AM

i'm not sure if this joke exist in english too. but i'll try to translate a romanian joke. There once was a fox. The fox suddenly felt like eating pancakes, but it (in romanian it's "she" ) had no frying pan. So she went to the bear to ask him for a frying pan. On her way to him ( the bear is considered male so i'll reffer to it as "him" ) she thought : "what if the bear will ask me for some pancakes as thanx for borrowing me the pan ?" . Half way there she though " what if he will take advantage of his size and place in the forest and demand half my pancakes? " . Almost reaching the bear's house she thought "what if he'll take half my pancakes and charge me for the pan too?". Finally reaching the bear's house, she rang the bell, the bear answered, and as soon as the bear opened the door she madly told the bear : " F you and your stupid pan, i don't even want it anymore! ".

Sorry if this seems like trolling or spamming or offtopic.

connan · 01-27-10, 09:32 AM

Well it would be ok for me if players that are online then they could coperate to finish some special missions during campaign, something like you have to do a special mission but that would be impossible to do it alone. If ubisoft could make something like that then noone will complain about the online gaming.

Oberleutnant nederlander · 01-27-10, 12:22 PM

there totaly killing the pc gaming world as a enjoyment on my part..

it's just like all thing's in life when they try and put barrier's in place to stop criminal's, it ends up hurting us more (the loyal gamer).

i realy hate all this online buy,download,play that is all over the place...prime example being steam!

i take enjoyment in collecting certain title's in the cases. or phyisical shipment as the sites put it....as i saw one chap said in this forum, what happen when the popularity drops below a level where it becomes to costly to run server's? do you realy think they'll keep pumping out cash so a hand full of people can play a game? no i think not..

.WE need the freedom to buy the game, and be able to play it when ever and where ever we want....i mean come on! it's bad enough in most cases to get the patch's/support to get the game to run...and that's not even thinking of the multiplayer side of things..

i dont blame the games industry in trying to protect there products, but they could do it in much better way's...

this is such an important topic that should be wide spread, or pc gaming is gona die out.

01-27-10, 03:19 PM

When I found out about the game ending in May 1943 and there only being one U-boat I was annoyed but quickly got over it. I have been playing since SH2 and was determined to make the best of it and assumed that there would be DLC or Mods to add the extra content.

But this new Online DRM has completely ruined the game and I have not even played it yet. I understand that Ubi has to protect its self against piracy but this is too much. Why punish gamers in this way, it will not bother the pirates who will crack the game within a few days and avoid the online rubbish.

My only hope is that Ubisoft will read the backlash on this and the official forums and the Assassins Creed forums and reconsider what I can only see as a complete disaster.

This DRM has all the disadvantages of STEAM and none of the benefits.

I can imagine the complete chaos on the 4th March when thousands of gamers attempt to play SHV for the first time, I will not be one of them.

janh · 01-27-10, 08:26 PM

I travel a lot on business, but I have always had fast gaming notebooks with which I use to play wherever I am. However, I don't typically have internet everywhere, and surely not fast connections.

I was really happy to hear about the new damage model and, most of all, wolfpacks. Seems to promise a deeper simulation aspect and historically accuracy, finally! A step forward from the brilliant SH3&GWX.
I wasn't too happy that they not have a complete campaign to 1945 as well as just one sub -- kind of a step back; the new graphics and the role playing feature dont add to the simulation part for me. But the wolfpack defintely convinced me that it could be a good compromise.

I hope they won't have the new copy protection, otherwise it is not an option for me. I guess they have earned enough money from me anyways -- time to assist the competitors a bit! To bad that they continue making the mistake that so many companies have started to reverse now, also in music industry.

"Possibly a former" customer.

Lognoreng · 01-27-10, 09:24 PM

Aslong as i cannot play the game whenever i want, and under any circumstances, online/offline, on earth/the moon. I wouldnt really consider it to be a game i buy, but i game i rent.. If i buy a movie it will cost alot more than renting one at my local store. So, games sells for 10euro, ill get it.. 50. No way. This is just another really stupid (and most probably useless) way to stop piracy. When are they gonna get it? most ppl who get piracy games wont buy the games anyway. I think the majority just downloads it because its something new and shiny. Fiddle with it for and hour or so to never look at it again..

Next thing would be monthly subscriptions to keep the auth servers up and running..

I might get SH5 a bunch of weeks after release in a sales bin at one of those "We sell all the crap you never knew you needed" stores, next to the PS1 games. Where i personally think its going to end up rather quick..

My 2 cents

Greentimbers · 01-27-10, 09:41 PM

I'm just going to wait and see what is actually in the box before I worry about any DRM scheme.

Cheers

Bungmiester · 01-28-10, 03:05 PM

This is very bad news indeed, I have used steam to play Empire Total War and have bought Rise of Flight and have found numourous problems with this on line conection crap, on the following points.
1, You cannot revert the game to previous patches, once a game has been patched you always have to play with the latest updated version of the game. This can screw up your game, as it did for some people playing Empire. Go look on the steam forums and you will find people who could run the game with no problems on patch 1.4 but when patch 1.5 was released totally porked there game. The only saving grace is that you can play the game OFFLINE

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2, Rise of Flight, this is a very nice game if ur into flight sims lovely graphics nice flight model, but is porked by erratic game behavior, due to needing a permanant on line connection, joystick profile getting corrupted, a bug where there servers time you out mid mission and crashes the game, to name but a few issues that people have been having, I do believe that in there next patch that are doing away with the permanant online connection.

So I for one will be giving SH5 a Wide Birth

until they wake up and smell the coffee as they will be opening a real can of worms with this one, SO LONG UBI

johan_d · 01-28-10, 03:11 PM

posted by steam-france... perhaps a steam version is comming soon.. so all problems solved.

Bungmiester · 01-28-10, 03:57 PM

Yep just looked on my steam account trailers there, will be interesting to see what develops, if it goes to an offline option I will buy, otherwise no wayyyyyy

Tigrone · 01-28-10, 04:32 PM

I am very uncomfortable with the requirement to have a Ubisoft account and to be continously logged-in to it while using the game. It becomes an on-line game. I do not play online games. I am uncomfortable with giving a commercial vendor the amount of personal and use information that seems to be implied. I do not like the idea of being dependent on their good will or existence to able to play the game at all.

I avoid being continuously connected to the Internet for security reasons and for performance reasons. My normal practice is to clear my PC of anything latent, running in the background, and to disconnect from the web before loading a game.

I have Verizon high speed DSL, but it losses its connection periodically for up to a minute or 2, several times a day, occasionally requiring a modem reboot; or, it lags, especially later in the evening.

I also have Verizon high speed wireless, but it can lose its connection briefly or suffer lag too. Also, it is not as fast, as the DSL.

I find connections through online servers increase lag time.

This is something that will cause me not to buy SH5 if it comes true. I dislike that very much. I was really looking forward to it. I have owned every title or variation in SH or Command AOD, since they began. I am a longtime fan of sub sims and flight sims. Right now, Il2-46 and SH 3 & 4 are the games I always keep on my PC.

At least I will not need to pay to get a new PC to be up to speed for the new game's specs. But, that does not make me feel any better; I was really looking forward to SH5. I hope my understanding of this is wrong, and I'll see how it plays out after SH5 releases, but I am not hopeful after reading all the links and articles about it.

subdba · 01-28-10, 05:13 PM

Well, add my name to the list of people who will not be buying SH5. Too bad really, I have bought and enjoyed every SH title (except for SH2) and all their respective add-ons. I could stomach an initial (one-time) online activation but the concept of having to authenticate everytime I want to play is unacceptable to me. I will check once in awhile to see if a GOY or something like that ever comes out without this terrible scheme and consider buying SH5 if it get cleaned up down the road.

01-26-10, 11:15 PM	#1
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Don't forget danger deep. __________________

01-27-10, 07:33 AM	#4
Danji Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 8 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i'm not sure if this joke exist in english too. but i'll try to translate a romanian joke. There once was a fox. The fox suddenly felt like eating pancakes, but it (in romanian it's "she" ) had no frying pan. So she went to the bear to ask him for a frying pan. On her way to him ( the bear is considered male so i'll reffer to it as "him" ) she thought : "what if the bear will ask me for some pancakes as thanx for borrowing me the pan ?" . Half way there she though " what if he will take advantage of his size and place in the forest and demand half my pancakes? " . Almost reaching the bear's house she thought "what if he'll take half my pancakes and charge me for the pan too?". Finally reaching the bear's house, she rang the bell, the bear answered, and as soon as the bear opened the door she madly told the bear : " F you and your stupid pan, i don't even want it anymore! ". Sorry if this seems like trolling or spamming or offtopic. __________________ pedobear wants lolis

01-27-10, 09:32 AM	#5
connan Nub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	it is not that bad Well it would be ok for me if players that are online then they could coperate to finish some special missions during campaign, something like you have to do a special mission but that would be impossible to do it alone. If ubisoft could make something like that then noone will complain about the online gaming.

01-27-10, 12:22 PM	#6
Oberleutnant nederlander Mate Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: cambridgeshire Posts: 58 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	there totaly killing the pc gaming world as a enjoyment on my part.. it's just like all thing's in life when they try and put barrier's in place to stop criminal's, it ends up hurting us more (the loyal gamer). i realy hate all this online buy,download,play that is all over the place...prime example being steam! i take enjoyment in collecting certain title's in the cases. or phyisical shipment as the sites put it....as i saw one chap said in this forum, what happen when the popularity drops below a level where it becomes to costly to run server's? do you realy think they'll keep pumping out cash so a hand full of people can play a game? no i think not.. .WE need the freedom to buy the game, and be able to play it when ever and where ever we want....i mean come on! it's bad enough in most cases to get the patch's/support to get the game to run...and that's not even thinking of the multiplayer side of things.. i dont blame the games industry in trying to protect there products, but they could do it in much better way's... this is such an important topic that should be wide spread, or pc gaming is gona die out. __________________ "all you need is good men" - GWX3.0

01-27-10, 08:26 PM	#8
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	one less I travel a lot on business, but I have always had fast gaming notebooks with which I use to play wherever I am. However, I don't typically have internet everywhere, and surely not fast connections. I was really happy to hear about the new damage model and, most of all, wolfpacks. Seems to promise a deeper simulation aspect and historically accuracy, finally! A step forward from the brilliant SH3&GWX. I wasn't too happy that they not have a complete campaign to 1945 as well as just one sub -- kind of a step back; the new graphics and the role playing feature dont add to the simulation part for me. But the wolfpack defintely convinced me that it could be a good compromise. I hope they won't have the new copy protection, otherwise it is not an option for me. I guess they have earned enough money from me anyways -- time to assist the competitors a bit! To bad that they continue making the mistake that so many companies have started to reverse now, also in music industry. "Possibly a former" customer.

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01-27-10, 04:54 AM	#2
Barra1 Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	the way I see it is that the price of piracy is factored into the price of the software. It is a garbage argument to say piracy cost's us this much blah, blah, blah. Sorry Ubi but the way I see it is if we are to continue to put up with this sort of rot then surely this will be the cheapest Silent Hunter ever as the community will no longer have to foot the bill for piracy. "Sorry what was that? You were just going to add it to the bottom line of your profits were you?"

01-27-10, 07:17 AM	#3
rea00cy Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Central FL Posts: 88 Downloads: 337 Uploads: 0	To me, this is the last nail in the coffin for SH5... and remember.... the hate you'll take is = to the hate you give....

01-27-10, 03:19 PM	#7
Kefru Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	When I found out about the game ending in May 1943 and there only being one U-boat I was annoyed but quickly got over it. I have been playing since SH2 and was determined to make the best of it and assumed that there would be DLC or Mods to add the extra content. But this new Online DRM has completely ruined the game and I have not even played it yet. I understand that Ubi has to protect its self against piracy but this is too much. Why punish gamers in this way, it will not bother the pirates who will crack the game within a few days and avoid the online rubbish. My only hope is that Ubisoft will read the backlash on this and the official forums and the Assassins Creed forums and reconsider what I can only see as a complete disaster. This DRM has all the disadvantages of STEAM and none of the benefits. I can imagine the complete chaos on the 4th March when thousands of gamers attempt to play SHV for the first time, I will not be one of them.

01-27-10, 09:24 PM	#9
Lognoreng A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 75 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Aslong as i cannot play the game whenever i want, and under any circumstances, online/offline, on earth/the moon. I wouldnt really consider it to be a game i buy, but i game i rent.. If i buy a movie it will cost alot more than renting one at my local store. So, games sells for 10euro, ill get it.. 50. No way. This is just another really stupid (and most probably useless) way to stop piracy. When are they gonna get it? most ppl who get piracy games wont buy the games anyway. I think the majority just downloads it because its something new and shiny. Fiddle with it for and hour or so to never look at it again.. Next thing would be monthly subscriptions to keep the auth servers up and running.. I might get SH5 a bunch of weeks after release in a sales bin at one of those "We sell all the crap you never knew you needed" stores, next to the PS1 games. Where i personally think its going to end up rather quick.. My 2 cents

01-27-10, 09:41 PM	#10
Greentimbers Helmsman Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 107 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I'm just going to wait and see what is actually in the box before I worry about any DRM scheme. Cheers

01-28-10, 03:05 PM	#11
Bungmiester Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	This is very bad news indeed, I have used steam to play Empire Total War and have bought Rise of Flight and have found numourous problems with this on line conection crap, on the following points. 1, You cannot revert the game to previous patches, once a game has been patched you always have to play with the latest updated version of the game. This can screw up your game, as it did for some people playing Empire. Go look on the steam forums and you will find people who could run the game with no problems on patch 1.4 but when patch 1.5 was released totally porked there game. The only saving grace is that you can play the game OFFLINE. 2, Rise of Flight, this is a very nice game if ur into flight sims lovely graphics nice flight model, but is porked by erratic game behavior, due to needing a permanant on line connection, joystick profile getting corrupted, a bug where there servers time you out mid mission and crashes the game, to name but a few issues that people have been having, I do believe that in there next patch that are doing away with the permanant online connection. So I for one will be giving SH5 a Wide Birth until they wake up and smell the coffee as they will be opening a real can of worms with this one, SO LONG UBI

01-28-10, 03:11 PM	#12
johan_d Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 556 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 1	posted by steam-france... perhaps a steam version is comming soon.. so all problems solved.

01-28-10, 03:57 PM	#13
Bungmiester Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 18 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Yep just looked on my steam account trailers there, will be interesting to see what develops, if it goes to an offline option I will buy, otherwise no wayyyyyy

01-28-10, 04:32 PM	#14
Tigrone Commander Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 470 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I'm afraid this not acceptable to me if true. I am very uncomfortable with the requirement to have a Ubisoft account and to be continously logged-in to it while using the game. It becomes an on-line game. I do not play online games. I am uncomfortable with giving a commercial vendor the amount of personal and use information that seems to be implied. I do not like the idea of being dependent on their good will or existence to able to play the game at all. I avoid being continuously connected to the Internet for security reasons and for performance reasons. My normal practice is to clear my PC of anything latent, running in the background, and to disconnect from the web before loading a game. I have Verizon high speed DSL, but it losses its connection periodically for up to a minute or 2, several times a day, occasionally requiring a modem reboot; or, it lags, especially later in the evening. I also have Verizon high speed wireless, but it can lose its connection briefly or suffer lag too. Also, it is not as fast, as the DSL. I find connections through online servers increase lag time. This is something that will cause me not to buy SH5 if it comes true. I dislike that very much. I was really looking forward to it. I have owned every title or variation in SH or Command AOD, since they began. I am a longtime fan of sub sims and flight sims. Right now, Il2-46 and SH 3 & 4 are the games I always keep on my PC. At least I will not need to pay to get a new PC to be up to speed for the new game's specs. But, that does not make me feel any better; I was really looking forward to SH5. I hope my understanding of this is wrong, and I'll see how it plays out after SH5 releases, but I am not hopeful after reading all the links and articles about it. __________________ Commander Hiram Cassedy: "Tigrone has saved the Air Force and is now returning to Iwo Jima with 28 rescued zoomies." B-29 SNUFFY & THE SHIF'LESS SKONKS among them. I've a broom at the mast said he, for the broom is a sign for me, that wherever I go, I sweep the mighty sea.

01-28-10, 05:13 PM	#15
subdba Bilge Rat Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Well, add my name to the list of people who will not be buying SH5. Too bad really, I have bought and enjoyed every SH title (except for SH2) and all their respective add-ons. I could stomach an initial (one-time) online activation but the concept of having to authenticate everytime I want to play is unacceptable to me. I will check once in awhile to see if a GOY or something like that ever comes out without this terrible scheme and consider buying SH5 if it get cleaned up down the road.