The LoLwaffle Training school

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I just practiced recovering from flat spins with the Hurricane MK1. The way to recover from a flat spin is zero thottle, rudder against the spin and elevators down, do not use the aileron in a flat spin as they are useless as there is no airflow over the wing. Keep in mind I was doing this at a starting altitude of 7500 meters.

[Fincuan]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

do not use the aileron in a flat spin as they are useless as there is no airflow over the wing.

Hey this is Olegworld, not real life. Ailerons are absolutely necessary when trying to recover from a spin with any P-39. Like a magical "get out of spin device". Using solely the rudder will not help with P-39s.

[Schroeder]

Well, from what I know the ailerons should not be used in recovering from a stall (at least in real life...).

I might not be there tomorrow, we have a meeting at our local airclub and I don't know how long this will go.

[Fincuan]

I just ran some more tests on the subject:

P-39D-1 with 75% fuel, Crimea map, noon, throttle 0% and pp 0%

I flew level at 2000 meters with the above settings, and when speed dropped to 190 km/h IAS I pulled back on the stick hard. When it stalled I centered the controls. Every time the aircraft entered a clockwise flat spin. I started the recovery actions after waiting 5 seconds. Recovery altitude, when that happened, was always between 850 and 650 meters.

Test 1: full counter rudder and stick forwards
Recovered 2/6 times

Test 2: full counter rudder, stick forwards and ailerons pro-spin
Recovered 6/6 times

[Task Force]

Im not going to be there ither tomorrow. (95% sure.) Probably gonna go to the Movies.

[Dowly]

Have to pass tomorrow's flight too.

[Task Force]

wow. The spit flight is gonna be MIA tomorow.:rotfl:

[Dowly]

That's because we passed our training, so we got weekend passes. The Hurricane squadron will be handling the latrine duty.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Test 1: full counter rudder and stick forwards
Recovered 2/6 times

Test 2: full counter rudder, stick forwards and ailerons pro-spin
Recovered 6/6 times

Something new every day.
(although I'm still pretty sure that you don't touch the ailerons in a stall in real life flying...)

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

Hey this is Olegworld, not real life. Ailerons are absolutely necessary when trying to recover from a spin with any P-39. Like a magical "get out of spin device". Using solely the rudder will not help with P-39s.

In my case I was flying the Hurricane MK1 not the P-39. The flat spin that I first brought up was while I was flying the Hurricane MK1. The result of the test that I did was for the Hurricane and nothing more.

Who all is flying tommorow?

[Schroeder]

Today I watched one of our official pilot instruction videos at the airfield and there they said what I already said: in a stall give counter rudder and centre the stick.
Odd that you need to do something with the ailerons in Il2.

@Fin
Do you give full ailerons or just a bit?

[Oberon]

Some screenshots from the last couple of Lolwaffle/Royal Air Farce training missions, involving attacks on unarmed and armed Ju87, He111 and Ju88s, and ground attack missions with Tempests and P-47. Oh, and one screenshot from the Biggin Hill campaign test on Friday where we all died...painfully XD

Raptor digs to Russia


Kratos attempts to gun a 109 before it takes off


Hunter is a little heavy on the brakes...


The transfer station/railyard thingy, just about to get strafed


Yeah...that went well...


Royal Air Farce Tempests in formation


Royal Air Farce Hurris on the attack over France


Landing safely at Detling, guidance to land thoughtfully provided by the wreck of a He-111 that Red Max had shot down

[Kratos]

regarding pic 2, I like the way you said attempting to gun down.....what happened after that, nobody really wants to know what happened OK!! I lost control and tried to plough a new potato field anyways sorry about the lack of communication tonight, ie: blue channel Schroeder/Dowly/Xabba The best part of a botle of bushmills and a few beers kind of makes your tongue go a bit numb

[Fincuan]

Nice strafing run Kratos

You're flying for the Japs if we ever fly in Pacific.

Originally Posted by Schroeder

@Fin
Do you give full ailerons or just a bit?

Full ailerons.

I was very surprised that it actually works, but as you can see from my tests it clearly does, at least with the P-39. I didn't really bother to test this with anything else since they rarely go into a spin from which you can't recover normally(aka the instructional video way). At least I'll be hopping on the P-39 much more often now, since a spin isn't an automatic death sentence anymore. On public servers you could even use it as an evasice maneuver, since everyone thinks "That guy won't recover" and leave you alone.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Yeah its true, we got murdered flying the two missions in the Biggin Hill campaign. In the first mission we got shot down by FW-190s, me thinks we should have stuck with the other spits. We might of lasted longer if the AI could have shot it up with each other first. In the second mission myself, Hunter, and Oberon flow Mossies to Calais to take out some ships and the near-by airfield. I got a ship, Oberon tryed to get a ship but missed, Hunter got some planes and a couple of hangers. Unfortunatly I belive that the explosion caused by the ship I sank woke up the flakpanzer crew cause promptly afterward me and Oberon where on the bottom of the Channel. Hunter got shot down by the airfield aa and was scattered over the French countryside and Kratos became a POW. Todays flight wasn't bad, a few of us got something(even the spitfires!!). It seemed the Oberon had some trouble with the Tempest:rotfl:. And I went KABOOM near the airfield we attacked, whoops.

Oh can we use both the Beaufighter and the fighter bomber Mossie in the next mission?