W. and the damage done - Page 4

Tchocky · 01-09-09, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, invading Afghanistan and Iraq may be many things but not token

I'd certainly consider the invasion of Iraq to be a token response to Islamic terrorism.

nikimcbee · 01-09-09, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 1480

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Niki, you've proved yourself over and over to have the ability to post a picture you found on the internet, 'scuse me, internetS, but as I've asked you before, with no response of course, do you have any substance? Any original thought? Anything you haven't been spoon fed? Or is a dumb picture from some half assed web site all you have? Just sayin.....
:hmm:

Enigma: It's called humor, something that, when viewed, may garner a chuckle or two. I come home after 8 hours of a day dealing with nonsense, death, violence and other neat things that are produced by the rag-ass of society has to offer, I need a chuckle.

M,
How was work? Glad you made it home okay, as I know how dangerous your job is.

Here's a variety of things to help you decompress:

Straight from the homeland:

This should cheer you up:

go get some sleep,
love mom.

Aramike · 01-09-09, 03:11 AM

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The previous posts said Clinton did nothing. That was false. Now, the goalposts have moved, and the intent of the Clinton administration is being questioned.

What matters is what was thought at the time.

Ironic how this could also apply to WMDs in Iraq...

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Based on the information available at the time, attacking those camps seemed like an effective response, i.e. not merely a token gesture. It wasn't effective, but that's hindsight, and irrelevant to determining intent.

It was the very definition of "token". They took a couple shots and hoped it worked. When it was found that it didn't work, they didn't pursue it.

Hence, the objective wasn't considered urgent enough to take measures to see it completed.

Ergo, the firing of missiles was nothing more than a grand symbolic gesture.

A token response.

August · 01-09-09, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

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The previous posts said Clinton did nothing. That was false. Now, the goalposts have moved, and the intent of the Clinton administration is being questioned.

What matters is what was thought at the time.

Ironic how this could also apply to WMDs in Iraq...

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Based on the information available at the time, attacking those camps seemed like an effective response, i.e. not merely a token gesture. It wasn't effective, but that's hindsight, and irrelevant to determining intent.

It was the very definition of "token". They took a couple shots and hoped it worked. When it was found that it didn't work, they didn't pursue it.

Hence, the objective wasn't considered urgent enough to take measures to see it completed.

Ergo, the firing of missiles was nothing more than a grand symbolic gesture.

A token response.

Aramike nails it AngusJS.

SUBMAN1 · 01-09-09, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

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Sorry if you can't see the glaring ignorance and humor all wrapped up into one stupid little hit-piece.

I have similar feelings towards your posts on this thread....

I wonder if you should ask him if he cares!

-S

SUBMAN1 · 01-09-09, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Good call Steam. The idiots of the Left don't understand that there actually was no peace before Mr. Bush. Only an idiot would buy this article from salon. The Clinton Democrats simply ignored terrorist threats and actions against our nation.

Yes, these incidents were ignored. But, American as whole, has a short memory span. We carry on.

I do find the ones with the short memory span are on the left. How ironic is it that these are the same people that consider themselves intellectually superior to all the rest of us? :p

-S

Tchocky · 01-09-09, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

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The previous posts said Clinton did nothing. That was false. Now, the goalposts have moved, and the intent of the Clinton administration is being questioned.

What matters is what was thought at the time.

Ironic how this could also apply to WMDs in Iraq..

Not quite.
Unless the intelligence concerning Bin Laden was manipulated in such a way to make it appear less important.

Also this business of blaming Clinton for ignoring Bin Laden and failing to take him out rings a little hollow, and a lot stupid.
It's not like George Bush raced into office hell-bent on destroying Bin Laden, nor has he done so. It's also not the case that GWB studiously reviewed warnings of terror plots that came across his desk.

I mean, it's so obviously the fault of one of them, the problem is which one?

Dowly · 01-09-09, 09:05 AM

This thread really needs somekind of background music playing while everyone is posting/reading it.

I vote for this:

:p

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! *Grabs more popcorn*

SUBMAN1 · 01-09-09, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

This thread really needs somekind of background music playing while everyone is posting/reading it.

I vote for this:

:p

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! *Grabs more popcorn*

Nah. But I think everyone should lighten up a bit though.

-S

SUBMAN1 · 01-09-09, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

...Also this business of blaming Clinton for ignoring Bin Laden and failing to take him out rings a little hollow, and a lot stupid. ....

As the Pakistani president said, you go find him, and we will then go get him. You over simplify things. If I wanted to disappear, no one would find me either. Crap, they can't even find how many fugitives in our own country?

-S

SteamWake · 01-09-09, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

What event are you referring to? I'm curious

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20page..._bin_laden.htm

August · 01-09-09, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

What event are you referring to? I'm curious

http://www.infowars.com/saved%20page..._bin_laden.htm

Sounds pretty damning to me....

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Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

Aramike · 01-09-09, 03:24 PM

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Not quite.
Unless the intelligence concerning Bin Laden was manipulated in such a way to make it appear less important.

All intelligence is manipulated and interpreted. You don't know if it is correct until after the fact.

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Also this business of blaming Clinton for ignoring Bin Laden and failing to take him out rings a little hollow, and a lot stupid.
It's not like George Bush raced into office hell-bent on destroying Bin Laden, nor has he done so. It's also not the case that GWB studiously reviewed warnings of terror plots that came across his desk.

I mean, it's so obviously the fault of one of them, the problem is which one?

Bush was in office for just under 9 months when the attack occured. Clinton had just finished an 8 year term during which there were several terrorist attacks.

Seven years, 3 months later, the US has yet to be attacked again. This NOT happening during a period in which the left constantly claims that the world is hating us more and more...

You'd think we'd be getting struck by terrorist activities at an increased clip.

You know, we really can't completely blame any president for causing the problem of terrorism.

But, for more than 7 years of Bush, we've effectively confronted terrorism. All the while, for 8 years of Clinton, we did practically nothing.

Kapt Z · 01-09-09, 10:32 PM

Well, the man did have a way with words....

That's got to count for something down the line.

Digital_Trucker · 01-09-09, 10:47 PM

Doesn't this need to be merged with the "Bash Bush" thread?

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Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Well, the man did have a way with words.... That's got to count for something down the line.