[REL] Dark Waters - Page 39

KaleunMarco · 06-28-20, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WH4K

I experimented. The Conning Tower interior remains empty, regardless of how I position crew in the manning diagram. Doing so (or not doing so) seems to have no effect on boat operations. Curious.

this is where things get murky.
in an American boat, there are four positions in the Conning tower. the fourth one is the helmsman.
in a German boat there are two positions in the sensor room and two in the conning tower.
if i were in a testing mood, i would add two additional positions in the conning tower and make sure that i manned them.
then see if you get additional bodies.

WH4K · 06-28-20, 05:16 PM

That is one big difference yes. In a US fleet boat, there is a set of helm controls in the conning tower. Only repeaters (rudder angle, engine rpms, and so on) in the Type IX conning tower, no controls, except of course for the TDC and firing controls.

Related question: where exactly is the Observation periscope? Both Attack and Obs periscopes are used from within the conning tower on US fleet boats (or at least the Gato and Tench, can't speak to S-boats). I see the shaft for the Obs periscope go through the conning tower and control room on the Type IX, but where did one stand to use it?

Also: I just got assigned to go take photos of the US sub base at Freemantle. The orders are in French. Uhh...what?

It's going to be close, range-wise, even cruising at Ahead Slow.

KaleunMarco · 06-28-20, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WH4K

Also: I just got assigned to go take photos of the US sub base at Freemantle. The orders are in French. Uhh...what?

can you yell: FIFI....really loud?

Fifi · 06-29-20, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by WH4K

That is one big difference yes. In a US fleet boat, there is a set of helm controls in the conning tower. Only repeaters (rudder angle, engine rpms, and so on) in the Type IX conning tower, no controls, except of course for the TDC and firing controls.

Related question: where exactly is the Observation periscope? Both Attack and Obs periscopes are used from within the conning tower on US fleet boats (or at least the Gato and Tench, can't speak to S-boats). I see the shaft for the Obs periscope go through the conning tower and control room on the Type IX, but where did one stand to use it?

Also: I just got assigned to go take photos of the US sub base at Freemantle. The orders are in French. Uhh...what?

It's going to be close, range-wise, even cruising at Ahead Slow.

Here is a fix made by Fritz Klum for Dark Waters messages in French:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=5620

WH4K · 07-02-20, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

Here is a fix made by Fritz Klum for Dark Waters messages in French:
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=5620

Do you have to start a new career after applying this?

I applied it, and while it fixed the French radio messages on my patrol, I just got a set of orders for a new patrol...in French.

Also, they want me to go photograph Fremantle again.

Guess this career is broken and I'll have to start over. Ugh.

KaleunMarco · 07-03-20, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by WH4K

Do you have to start a new career after applying this?

I applied it, and while it fixed the French radio messages on my patrol, I just got a set of orders for a new patrol...in French.

Also, they want me to go photograph Fremantle again.

Guess this career is broken and I'll have to start over. Ugh.

your career is not necessarily broken.
receiving "messages" in French is entirely different from receiving "orders" in French.
"messages" are various text files stored in various folders and delivered via "message board" aka radio when appropriate.
"orders" are voice files recorded and stored in the Sound folder.
these two methods are independent of each other.
it is a massive undertaking to coordinate all of the various "communications" into a language that is not native to the application. the list of files includes but is not limited to:

graphical user interface
mission, patrol, career text files
voice orders
mission order files
mission message files
mission command files
music files (for those who have the time to listen to the radio)

it is a monumental undertaking to make a coordinated conversion of an app from one language to another.
i, myself, being an arrogant American, had to learn a bit of German to play OpMonsun/Dark Waters. {gasp}
imagine the anxiety attached to that!(sarcasm)

let's remember we are playing a game designed and built for an entirely different operating environment many years ago.

sometimes, playing it has its challenges. let us be thankful we have something other than Fox News/CNN to occupy our free time.

WH4K · 07-03-20, 10:30 AM

No, I mean the career is broken because I got the exact same assignment twice in a row. Not the language thing - that's what the patch is supposed to fix, yes?

Maybe I wasn't clear: it would be "normal" if the orders were in German, but mine were in French.

I snuck back through the Suez Canal after my earlier visit to Australia. Do not recommend. Very unfriendly people at both ends!

Is this business of dispatching Lorient-based boats halfway around the world intentional? I would rather have started from Penang, but haven't been allowed to transfer from when I started in 1939.

KaleunMarco · 07-03-20, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WH4K

No, I mean the career is broken because I got the exact same assignment twice in a row. Not the language thing - that's what the patch is supposed to fix, yes?

Maybe I wasn't clear: it would be "normal" if the orders were in German, but mine were in French.

I snuck back through the Suez Canal after my earlier visit to Australia. Do not recommend. Very unfriendly people at both ends!

Is this business of dispatching Lorient-based boats halfway around the world intentional? I would rather have started from Penang, but haven't been allowed to transfer from when I started in 1939.

yeah....about that....i remember encountering that feature during DW testing but, as that was not the focus on my testing, i lost track of the result.
i know that after Aug/Sep 1944 all of the French Flots are either disbanded or regrouped in Germany OR sent to the Far east. but that would be an assignment not a one-time mission.
my advice is that DW is designed for Atlantic play so select a career-Uboat choice that is not connected with the Penang-Singapore-Djarkarta flotillas.
i could swear that there was a documentation file that was included in DW that showed the availability of Uboats by date and by base. that would be helpful for your situation.

KaleunMarco · 07-03-20, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WH4K

Is this business of dispatching Lorient-based boats halfway around the world intentional? I would rather have started from Penang, but haven't been allowed to transfer from when I started in 1939.

i found this in the D/L section. i thought there was a similar piece with DW but i guess not. it is probably pretty close to what is in DW.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloa...o=file&id=5469

WH4K · 07-04-20, 02:58 PM

I've been assigned new boats twice in a row now.

When I got back from my first trip to Australia, I was offered a new Type IX, a IXB - the one with two flak guns. It still won't keep you from getting sunk, but at least you take the airplane with you. :/

I went ahead and did another trip to Australia. On return, I was offered a new boat. Again. Hmm. OK, says I.

I got a Type XXIII. I was assigned to patrol in the middle of the Atlantic.

Thing is, a Type XXIII doesn't have sufficient range for Atlantic patrols. It's a coastal boat at best. I know - I tried anyway, and ran out of fuel short of the patrol area.

HK_01 · 07-04-20, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WH4K

I've been assigned new boats twice in a row now.

When I got back from my first trip to Australia, I was offered a new Type IX, a IXB - the one with two flak guns. It still won't keep you from getting sunk, but at least you take the airplane with you. :/

I went ahead and did another trip to Australia. On return, I was offered a new boat. Again. Hmm. OK, says I.

I got a Type XXIII. I was assigned to patrol in the middle of the Atlantic.

Thing is, a Type XXIII doesn't have sufficient range for Atlantic patrols. It's a coastal boat at best. I know - I tried anyway, and ran out of fuel short of the patrol area.

That's interesting. I was under the impression that you weren't supposed to be offered any new boats in DW.

propbeanie · 07-04-20, 10:22 PM

The Types XVIII (not active), XXI & XXIII are all UpgradeClass=2. All others are UpgradeClass=1. I do not know how there would be an "upgrade" to a new Type IX, except by a new turm "re-fit"... so it was probably a re-fit, not an upgrade to a new boat. Some of the re-fits do function correctly.

Viktoria · 07-05-20, 01:53 PM

I kind of found an explanation for a few of the torpedos bugs however i dodnt know how to fic them.

so the g7aT1 (sw36) works fine
the g7aT1 (sw39) doesnt it shows the falke model and has no wake etc.

so i found out the SW stands for the explosive used in the torpedo SW39 beeing more potent and thats the difference of the 2(which i didnt initially found)
still no clue why the torpedo mod only works for the g7at1 sw36 but the other one is still wierdly broken....

HK_01 · 07-05-20, 02:31 PM

So on a whim I decided to go into Brest, to see if maybe I could bag myself a French warship before France is knocked out of the war. I know the main fleet was in Mers el-Kebir, but hey, who knows, maybe there's a Richelieu or a Jean Bart/Courbet-class BB there anyway. It's May 14th, so the Battle of France has just begun, yet the only ships I found in Brest harbor were two German destroyers. I know the mod is no longer being worked on, but I thought I'd report this anyway. Also, something funky is going on in Brest harbor. There's basically nothing going on but it completely tanks the framerate of the game.

WH4K · 07-05-20, 04:42 PM

No, I definitely got a new boat. Started the war with U-37. When I upgraded to a Type IXB it was U-150.

06-28-20, 05:16 PM	#572
WH4K Frogman Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	That is one big difference yes. In a US fleet boat, there is a set of helm controls in the conning tower. Only repeaters (rudder angle, engine rpms, and so on) in the Type IX conning tower, no controls, except of course for the TDC and firing controls. Related question: where exactly is the Observation periscope? Both Attack and Obs periscopes are used from within the conning tower on US fleet boats (or at least the Gato and Tench, can't speak to S-boats). I see the shaft for the Obs periscope go through the conning tower and control room on the Type IX, but where did one stand to use it? Also: I just got assigned to go take photos of the US sub base at Freemantle. The orders are in French. Uhh...what? It's going to be close, range-wise, even cruising at Ahead Slow. __________________ Windows 10 Pro (x64) Last edited by WH4K; 06-28-20 at 05:31 PM.

07-03-20, 10:30 AM	#577
WH4K Frogman Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	No, I mean the career is broken because I got the exact same assignment twice in a row. Not the language thing - that's what the patch is supposed to fix, yes? Maybe I wasn't clear: it would be "normal" if the orders were in German, but mine were in French. I snuck back through the Suez Canal after my earlier visit to Australia. Do not recommend. Very unfriendly people at both ends! Is this business of dispatching Lorient-based boats halfway around the world intentional? I would rather have started from Penang, but haven't been allowed to transfer from when I started in 1939. __________________ Windows 10 Pro (x64)

07-04-20, 02:58 PM	#580
WH4K Frogman Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	I've been assigned new boats twice in a row now. When I got back from my first trip to Australia, I was offered a new Type IX, a IXB - the one with two flak guns. It still won't keep you from getting sunk, but at least you take the airplane with you. :/ I went ahead and did another trip to Australia. On return, I was offered a new boat. Again. Hmm. OK, says I. I got a Type XXIII. I was assigned to patrol in the middle of the Atlantic. Thing is, a Type XXIII doesn't have sufficient range for Atlantic patrols. It's a coastal boat at best. I know - I tried anyway, and ran out of fuel short of the patrol area. __________________ Windows 10 Pro (x64)

07-04-20, 10:22 PM	#582
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	The Types XVIII (not active), XXI & XXIII are all UpgradeClass=2. All others are UpgradeClass=1. I do not know how there would be an "upgrade" to a new Type IX, except by a new turm "re-fit"... so it was probably a re-fit, not an upgrade to a new boat. Some of the re-fits do function correctly. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

07-05-20, 02:31 PM	#584
HK_01 Swabbie Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 8 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Brest harbor So on a whim I decided to go into Brest, to see if maybe I could bag myself a French warship before France is knocked out of the war. I know the main fleet was in Mers el-Kebir, but hey, who knows, maybe there's a Richelieu or a Jean Bart/Courbet-class BB there anyway. It's May 14th, so the Battle of France has just begun, yet the only ships I found in Brest harbor were two German destroyers. I know the mod is no longer being worked on, but I thought I'd report this anyway. Also, something funky is going on in Brest harbor. There's basically nothing going on but it completely tanks the framerate of the game.

07-05-20, 01:53 PM	#583
Viktoria Watch Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 24 Downloads: 98 Uploads: 0	I kind of found an explanation for a few of the torpedos bugs however i dodnt know how to fic them. so the g7aT1 (sw36) works fine the g7aT1 (sw39) doesnt it shows the falke model and has no wake etc. so i found out the SW stands for the explosive used in the torpedo SW39 beeing more potent and thats the difference of the 2(which i didnt initially found) still no clue why the torpedo mod only works for the g7at1 sw36 but the other one is still wierdly broken....

07-05-20, 04:42 PM	#585
WH4K Frogman Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	No, I definitely got a new boat. Started the war with U-37. When I upgraded to a Type IXB it was U-150. __________________ Windows 10 Pro (x64)