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10-08-18, 06:16 PM | #5566 | |
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10-08-18, 07:35 PM | #5567 | |
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Yes oh woe is us. Europeans prognosticating our imminent doom. You'd think they'd tire of being proved wrong for over 200 years now.
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10-08-18, 08:11 PM | #5568 | |
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We are doomed, but at least Trump might have bought us another twenty or thirty years.
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Anyway Hindsight, Monty's execution of the plan was a mess, too many risks and terrible use of intelligence. If the US was running the show they would have isolated the Netherlands and pushed straight through the Rheinland into Germany and if Patton had his way all the way to Berlin. Quote:
As for hiding Air crew from the Gestapo, well...who did like the Gestapo anyway.
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10-09-18, 06:03 AM | #5570 | |
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"What is seldom understood is that the Arnhem battle was in reality won at Nijmegen. If the Allies had taken the [Nijmegen]Bridge on the first day, it would have been all over for us. Even if we had lost it on the second day, we would have had difficulty stopping them. By the time the English tanks arrived, the matter was already decided." - SS-Brigadeführer Heinz Harmel |
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10-09-18, 12:58 PM | #5571 | |
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10-09-18, 04:03 PM | #5572 |
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Oh right it's all the 82nds fault. That's like saying the boat sank because the crew didn't bail fast enough, not because the Captain tore it's bottom out on the rocks.
The truth is that Market Garden was a poor operational plan that was doomed to failure from the start. Aside from it's obvious deficiencies (not enough aircraft, a single road for the main advance, DZ's that were miles from their objectives, useless radios), it was also based on light resistance and the operation should have been cancelled once they found out the Germans had moved two Panzer divisions into the area (like the Dutch Underground told them). Oh and it probably wasn't a good idea to let the complete set of operational maps and plans fall into the enemies hands on the first day of the operation either. Then there was the failure of Monty to clear the Scheldt Estuary before launching the operation. Called "one of the greatest tactical mistakes of the war" it not only severely exacerbated and prolonged the Allies supply problems (they were still hauling everything up to the front over the Normandy beaches) but it also allowed an entire German army (the 15th I think) to escape and attack along the entire flank of the advance. That means the failure of Market Garden wasn't the fault of the Airborne, American, British or Pole, but directly with Montgomery and his staff. Personally I think Ike should have told Monty to get stuffed and gave Patton supply priority instead. We'd have been across the Rhine in September or October '44 instead of March '45.
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10-09-18, 05:49 PM | #5573 | |
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10-10-18, 06:14 AM | #5574 | |
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Failure to take Nijmegen on day 1 does. |
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10-10-18, 12:16 PM | #5575 | |
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Well then I bow to your lack of experience and knowledge on the subject.
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10-10-18, 12:22 PM | #5576 |
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I don't think August will wear this tee shirt ... perhaps vienna will
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10-10-18, 01:19 PM | #5577 |
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10-10-18, 03:28 PM | #5578 |
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I like the wit and sarcasm that stays within the bounds of good taste, thumbs up
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10-10-18, 03:46 PM | #5579 | |
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Send it to Dowly. He'll wear it...
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10-10-18, 03:51 PM | #5580 |
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Did I miss anything? Meh, Reece's b-day thread is where it's at anyway.
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