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If Hamas, which is undoubtedly a Iranian financed terrorist organisation which rules the gaza Strip since 2007, wouldnt be there, there wouldnt be anykind of Blockade at all. It's as simple as that. |
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It is a juristic formality. I tried to find an article I read about this during the time of the first Gaza flotilla that escalated so entertainingly, but I haven't found it. There, a university professor for international law explained this and other details of how "blockades" are regulated by international treaties and laws, and very extensively he did. The "one-exception-nullifies-whole-blockade" rule either is an explicit formulation, or a implication, and I never have read or heared it being disupted by law experts. I am certain that I repeated the key points and also the detail you mention correctly, and while checking that again, I only found this mistake: I said the declaration of London was 1919, but in fact it was 10 years earlier, in 1909. However, Google is everybody's friend. What it comes down to, is this: if Israel fails a single ship to stop from breaking the blockade, then it would continue the blokckade, no doubt. But there would be an international uproar since from then on it can no longer claim that its blockade is legal and covered by international law. Go figure what that would mean in the media echo, and for the criticism fired by pro Gaza-lobbies. Once again, Israel woulkd be the bad bad bully of the bloick. Said lobbies, and Turkey, already claim - wrongly - that it is an illegal blockade right now. But then - they would be right, and political Western actors would need to distance themselves even more from Israel. This is the reason why Turkey is pressing so strongly for breaking the blockade, Turkish ships and warship escort and such. It would be a propaganda coup with long-reaching legal consequences if even just one boat reaches the beach, and it would mount a lot of diplomatic pressure on Israel. If Israel would give up and lift the blockade, Erdoghan I. then could come and present himself as victor and collect the sentiments and build on that for acchieveing Turkish dominance in the region. He does not like that during the Arab spring revolts the Turkish flag was not the banner under which the revolting crowds assembled.
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There may well be something in what you say....I found this: "In order to be binding a blockade must be effective".
http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/blockade/ And this: "Blockades were first defined in international law at the Paris Declaration Respecting Maritime Law in 1856. One of the agreed rules was that a blockade had to be effective in order to be lawful. This banned so-called "paper" blockades — blockades that were declared to the blockaded nation, but were not actively enforced" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade The quote above actually goes some way into explaining why 'paper blockade'. |
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Israeli navy has stopped both ships and tows them to Ashdod.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15591860
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That was the claim that Sky made. Having a blockade breached by vessels not containing any of the declared contraband would certainly have no impact on the effectiveness of the blockade. One question does arise though, if the vessels only contain materials which are illegal to blockade does that raise more questions about the legality of the blockade. BTW Jim you have to go beyond Paris, include Hague and Geneva too and then use San Remo. |
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The spirit or intent of the law IMHO was meant to stop those who set up a blockade in name only from doing so without the means to enforce it. If that were not the case Gaddafi for example could have declared a blockade on the UK even though NATO had destroyed his navy earlier. Bad analogy perhaps but I know what I meant ![]() |
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But your Al-Taqiyya tactics wont work this time, fanboy!!!! Twelve Tactics of "Al-Taqiyya" - lying and deception for the promotion of Islam Most religions respect the truth and forbid lying. However Islam is different. Allah is 'the best of deceivers' (Koran 3.54), and since the highest goal of Islamic ethics is to spread Islam by any means whatsoever, it is hardly surprising that lying and deceit should be quite acceptable if carried out for the benefit of Islam. "War is Deceit", said Muhammad, and Islam is always at war with the infidel until Islam dominates. This 'Holy Lying' is known as taqiyya (sometimes spelled taqiya or taquiya) - This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Infidel while rejoicing with fellow Muslims. Here are some of the ploys, arguments, logical fallacies and diversionary tactics used by taqiyya tacticians: [1] Taqiyya about taqiyya. Muslims deny that taqiyya exists, or that it is used to deceive infidels. 'There is no such thing as Taqiya' (or 'Taqiyya is something I never heard of and I had to go and look it up') [2] Playing the race card and guilt by association. An accusation of racism is such a trump card that Jihadists will play it whenever they can. Despite Islam not being a race, any criticism of Islam immediately gets the knee-jerk retaliation of 'racism'. For example; 'You are expressing the same views about Islam as racists, therefore you are a racist.' This is similar logic to to 'Communists believe two and two make four. You believe two and two make four. Therefore you are a Communist'. [3] Godwin's Law - a special (and inevitable) version of guilt by association with racism used in online discussions, whereby the first person to invoke Hitler or the Nazis wins the argument. The 'logic' is something like: CRITICISM OF ISLAM = RACISM = NAZISM Therefore, if you criticise Islam you are a Nazi. [4] Circular reasoning 'The Koran says it is the word of God. So whatever it says must be true. Therefore it is true that the Koran is the word of God because it says so' [5] The infidels' quotes from the Koran are always taken out of context. For example 'Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them' is taken out of context, and really means 'Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them setting fire to your house' - or something similar. [6] Infidels can't understand the original Arabic of the Koran. So 'Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them' is actually a Medieval Arabic expression meaning 'Help old ladies across busy streets and remember to feed the birds in winter'. [7] Tu Quoque (you also). 'We blow people up/ behead them but you do the same,' Normally used in attempts to refute arguments that Islam is intrinsically violent. Often refers back to the Crusades, Inquisition etc. Also 'There are equally nasty bits in the Bible'. Yes, there are violent episodes in the Bible, but the Bible is descriptive of battles and massacres long ago, whereas the Koran is prescriptive of battles and massacres yet to come. [8] 'Abrahamic/monotheistic faith' false kin argument. This scam usually take the form of 'Islam is just a further development of Christianity, a brother Abrahamic/ monotheist faith.' Of course it isn't! Islam is a travesty and perversion of Christianity in many respects, and Jesus would probably have advised Mohammed to tie a millstone round his neck and jump into the sea. (Mark 9:42). In Islam stoning of women is still a major spectator sport, whereas Jesus forbade it (John 8:7). Human sacrifice is an abomination in Judaism and Christianity, but is encouraged in Islam. [9] Quoting abrogated verses from the Koran in order to appear moderate. A favorite one is 'Let there be no compulsion in religion'. This verse and many like it are actually null and void and disregarded by all Muslims (though not by gullible infidels). They are peaceful Meccan verses which are competely cancelled by later and much more violent Medinan verses. [10] 'You owe us a debt of gratitude because Islam is the basis of Western civilisation'. This sort of statement is usually backed up by revisionist arguments that Muslims invented everything and were responsible for the Renaissance etc. In some ways this is a rather pathetic quest for significance. Muslim culture has been moribund for the past 600 years, whereas the West has forged ahead. Muslims now want a stake in the success story by claiming they were somehow responsible for the West's development. [11] 'A third of the world's population believe in Islam, so it deserves respect.' But not so long ago a third of the world's population believed the earth was flat. Numbers don't mean anything, especially when the Islamic population is the most backward and illiterate on earth. Muslims are very keen on 'respect', but someone should tell them that respect needs to be earned. [12] 'We are victims of Islamophobia'. Muslims are always playing the victim, if not of racism then of the even more heinous thought-crime of ISLAMOPHOBIA. Of course there is no such thing as Islamophobia, since a phobia is an irrational fear, whereas fear of Islam as a clear and present danger is a totally rational reaction from any infidel. |
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