Opponents Are "Patriots" Not "Enemies"

This is Obama wide and clear. It is also why his agenda is being rejected.

Obama says

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...r_enemies.html


Boehner (next # 3 for president) responds

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...t_enemies.html

It is why democrats will lose and why Obama's presidency will be deminished....if that is possible!!!

I hope for many congressional investigations into our least known president....Barry.

[AVGWarhawk]

TTM...if the Republican take control they will need to deliver the goods. If not, in 2 years the Repubs will lose again. In all reality the Repubs are looking to undo 2 years of what Obama has done. It will take 2 years to accomplish that!

[tater]

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:



The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

[August]

Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie?

As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:



The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

Bipartisanship is overrated and part of the problem.When you have two groups who's principles are at absolute odds with one another, you can not compromise.Those who do compromise when it goes against what they really believe are a weak, spineless breed and have NO place in the GOP.I'm glad to see the RINO's gone.Just too bad we couldn't purge McCain out of the party but oh well I guess.

Mookie, I agree the anyone who says someone should get the boot for simply breaking ranks is wrong, maybe even an idiot.However, if they claim to be a Republican/Conservative but often vote for things are are contrary to the principles of a Republican/Conservative then they become a RINO and should be given the boot.Breaking ranks now and then unless on a big issue like health care is acceptable.I often disagree with fellow Republicans and Conservatives on issues such as gay marriage, religion, etc but it makes me no less a Republican or Conservative.However, if I claimed to be one and supported Obama and the Dems on fiscal issues or healthcare, then my principles are obviously not strong and I am in the wrong party.

RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain etc Governor of Florida Charlie Crist is a great example of a RINO, claims to be a "moderate" lol but a damn RINO and thus why he lost the Primary to Rubio and is way down in the polls for Senate since he switched to Independent.Some tolerance for the occasional different view on issues can be shown but people who are regular offenders should be shunned and in this new era for the party, they prob will and that is a great thing.

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

Never compromise? The whole reason everyone on the left is mad at him is because of excessive concessions to the other side, in some misguided attempt at bipartisanship. Never compromise indeed.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Webster

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

lol duh because he is racist, I knew this before 2008 after reading his books.The man's racism has came to light in various comments and incidents(such as copgate) Obama is also someone who has used his race his ENTIRE life as a means to get in the door someone then as an excuse if something does not work out.Just a disgusting trait(flaw) he has as a human being. +

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

Obama is too much of a ideologue to do a "move" to the center.Clinton did not really move to the center, he just made it appear so.Okay on a few things like welfare reform he did but that was just to make it look so.Clinton is a far left fool BUT he liked being President more than anything, thus why he gave in on some things.Obama will prob not even try that because as said he is too much of an ideologue, feels that sort of thing is beneath him and as he has shown, could care less what the people want.

[Skybird]

The tea party will not be enough to get the Republicans back to power in 2 years. I see them being destructive due to the hate they add plenty of fuel to, and I suspect plenty of racism in their rows, too. The tea party is the storm troopers of the Republicans - great to maximise damage and destroy consensus and denying victory to Obama - but unable to bring up a person whom a reasonable, sane mind would possibly dare to imagine to lead a complex business like that of governing a world power. In the end, much of the rethorics of the tea party is as primitive as is the collection of sticks caveman had in his mountain hole.

So, in prinmciple Obama should be a meal ready to eat in two years, he cannot win by his own example anymore. But just damaging his reputation and sowing hate and controversy and vitriolic vibes, Palin, O'Donell and the likes are doing, is not enough to win the presidency for the Republicans. So, Obama can win in two years: by the Republicans defeating themselves when they do not put the tea party on the short line in time, and present a candidate that is acceptable to more than just the hardcore fans of Palin et. al. Which means he must be a moderate, by republican standards. And finding such a name holds the potential to rip the extremist and the moderate wing in the R-party apart.

Short while ago, Schwarzenegger predicted that Obama will be reelected in two years, right becasue of the Republicans inability to find and present an acceptable name to lead them, and to keep the tea party in check. I currently think time will show him to have assessed things correctly. The tea party is what makes the Republicans ineligibale for too many people that are swing-voters and have no loyalty-by-habit for any of the parties. That way, the tea party can become a present for the democrats, helping them to collect votes.

I have the impression that many Ameicans still think that with just some "correct" decisions being made, things will improve magically and the US will oick up the world game where it has left it short time ago, and things will be like they have been before. As long as it is not understood that this is infantile a hope and that in fact already a totally new game with new rules has begun in which the US can play a role, but in no way as dominant a role anymore as it did over the past decades, I see no chance for substantial reparis and imprivements and chnages in the American system. Of one thing I am certain: the old ways Americans - and Europeans as well!!! - have gotten used to, do not work anymore and never will work again. The longer one tries to stick to this fallacy, the worse things will become.

That is in two years. For today, what else is there to be expected than a massive defeat for the democrats. Anything else but that would be a big surprise.