65th anniversary of JV day

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I was just responding to the question.

You are just a poor cold warrior without the knowledge to make the correct decisions. Perhaps that is why you rose to that high rank of ETR3.

That's no response. That's just plain insulting, and there is no need for it.

[ETR3(SS)]

Wow. Just wow. Why are you so heated by my answer? Did I hit a cord?

Your answer isn't what caused me to become heated. I even admitted that you could be right about Lincoln. What caused me to become heated was your insult on my service.

Do you feel you could have done more in defense of your country? Do you feel guilty now because of your current feelings about nuclear deterence?

I chose my job in the Navy and performed my duties, there was nothing more I could do to contribute. My feelings about nuclear deterrence have not changed since I joined the Navy.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

That's no response. That's just plain insulting, and there is no need for it.

OK I'll give you that I was trying to get him to admit to the falacy of his argument, as a former ETR3. But it doesn't mean I ignore his service, or overtly insult him. If I have done so, sorry sweat heart, perhaps we can take the let me cry train to some place special for you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

OK I'll give you that I was trying to get him to admit to the falacy of his argument, as a former ETR3. But it doesn't mean I ignore his service, or overtly insult him. If I have done so, sorry sweat heart, perhaps we can take the let me cry train to some place special for you.

And see, now you're going after me. You just can't play nice, can you? Really, I don't know why you take every discussion so personally.

I tried; I give up.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And see, now you're going after me. You just can't play nice, can you? Really, I don't know why you take every discussion so personally.

I tried; I give up.

You are correct of course. I'm bad all over.

[Platapus]

=The Third Man;1468661 The cold war left no dead from nuclear blast.

Perhaps some research into the number of deaths associated with exposing US Troops to Nuclear blasts would be in order.

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Perhaps some research into the number of deaths associated with exposing US Troops to Nuclear blasts would be in order.

You could also say that about John Wayne, Susan Hayward and Agnes Moorhead who were filming "The Conqueror" downwind of the tests site too.



My Dad was in Noumea loading supplies for Operation Olympic when the surrender was announced. So, I fully support Truman's decision to drop the bombs or I wouldn't be here today. It was their use, ALONG with the rapid Red Army victory in Manchuria that precipitated the surrender, It also allowed the US to guarantee Japanese territorial integrity and prevent a divided Japan like Korea and Germany.

I also visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki when I was in Japan in the Navy WHILE I was Mk 114 Firing Petty Officer and saw the shadows of people burned into some of the few walls left standing after the blast. In fact, last year, I finally visited Trinity Site south of here near San Antonio, NM when they had the annual opening:



So, I got the "Places-that-got-nuked" Hat Trick.

In my humble opinion, only ONE group of people have EARNED the RIGHT to order nuclear weapons use. The Hibakusha, the survivors of the bombings. No other person, head of state, potentate or dictator has that right, anywhere.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

If I have done so, sorry sweat heart, perhaps we can take the let me cry train to some place special for you.

Are you capable of having a decent discussion without resorting to personal insults? There was no need for that remark at all. No one has spoken to you that way.

[krashkart]

My thanks go out to the men and women that served in that war. You helped make a lot of things possible that otherwise would not have been.

[Sailor Steve]

And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

[ETR3(SS)]

I'll take a stab at that, September 2, 1945 with the signing in Tokyo Bay onboard the USS Missouri.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Platapus

psst

VJ not JV

VJ is Victory over Japan
JV is Junior Varsity.

Well played sir, you beat me to it

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

Most people believe and accept that World War 2 was officially ended in late April/Early May 1945 in Europe with the success of the Allies and fall of Rome and Berlin in Europe and in September of the same year in the Far East, but there is also a theory that states that it did not actually "officially" end until far later - almost 45 years later, in fact!

The reason behind this theory is that, after the cessation of hostilities, Germany was divided into the two separate sovereign states of East and West Germany. Therefore the country which originally declared war on Britain, starting World War II (just "Germany") did not then exist.

The state of war between the ORIGINAL PROTAGONISTS of World War II - those being "Germany" and "Britain" could not therefore technically be "officially" declared as over until "Germany" itself (and not just East Germany or West Germany) existed properly and independently in it's own right, which did not happen until the east and west countries were re-unified into one sovereign state once again on October 3rd 1990.

Whichever theory is correct, what is true is that Germany and Japan (the 'Axis' forces) conceded defeat in the war and surrendered to the Allied forces in 1945, with the Japanese doing so later in the year - on September 2nd, so it is reasonable to assume that date as the end to World War II.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

VJ day did not really mark the end of the fighting; VJ day marks the day Japan announced it's surrender, organized resistance continued until August 23rd (IIRC) against the Soviets in Manchuria and the Kuril Islands. The last action was taken by September 1st with the Soviets occupying the Kurils and the actual surrender was signed on September 2nd.

So, officially: September 2nd, 1945.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I'll take a stab at that, September 2, 1945 with the signing in Tokyo Bay onboard the USS Missouri.

Not even close.