White house chastises media !

SteamWake · 10-13-09, 10:55 AM

Oh wait its only one particular media outlet

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Calling Fox News "a wing of the Republican Party," the Obama administration on Sunday escalated its war of words against the channel, even as observers questioned the wisdom of a White House war on a news organization.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ords-fox-news/

NeonSamurai · 10-13-09, 11:11 AM

As a semi on topic comment, I wish TV news (and other sources) would return to the way it was 40 years ago or so, when it was more about objective news delivery, instead of this subjective crap they try to feed us. I can damn well think for myself; i don't need some anchorperson trying to tell me how to interpret events.

Most news on TV and print is subjective rubbish and often heavily biased towards a political orientation. That and all the rating grabbing stunts they pull, and the obsessive coverage of certain 'news' events (usually involving celebrities).

As for fox news, I freely admit I despise them, but I also have equal hatred for CNN and the rest of them pretty much.

On topic I agree that the white house should not be singling out specific news outlets unless their behavior is especially egregious (I don't think fox has quite gotten there.. yet anyhow).

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 11:40 AM

It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more.

mookiemookie · 10-13-09, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more.

They've learned that this is what sells. Unfortunately.

NeonSamurai · 10-13-09, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

They've learned that this is what sells. Unfortunately.

That's cause the general public prefers to be entertained, amused, titillated, and so on rather than informed. That and it seems that an awful lot of people prefer to have their opinions spoon fed to them rather then forming their own independently.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-09, 12:20 PM

Opinions do sell. Ask Oprah.

Really, the old days of hard news are gone. Beck is like Howard Stern...shock jock

Scare tactics, innuendo are the order of the day at the news stations.

mookiemookie · 10-13-09, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

That's cause the general public prefers to be entertained, amused, titillated, and so on rather than informed. That and it seems that an awful lot of people prefer to have their opinions spoon fed to them rather then forming their own independently.

"It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of thought." —John Kenneth Galbraith

FIREWALL · 10-13-09, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

As a semi on topic comment, I wish TV news (and other sources) would return to the way it was 40 years ago or so, when it was more about objective news delivery, instead of this subjective crap they try to feed us. I can damn well think for myself; i don't need some anchorperson trying to tell me how to interpret events.

Most news on TV and print is subjective rubbish and often heavily biased towards a political orientation. That and all the rating grabbing stunts they pull, and the obsessive coverage of certain 'news' events (usually involving celebrities).

As for fox news, I freely admit I despise them, but I also have equal hatred for CNN and the rest of them pretty much.

On topic I agree that the white house should not be singling out specific news outlets unless their behavior is especially egregious (I don't think fox has quite gotten there.. yet anyhow).

If the news was like it was 40yrs ago... That "Negro" wouldn't be President now.

Castout · 10-13-09, 05:56 PM

Well it's true imo. Nothing wrong with saying that.

Platapus · 10-13-09, 06:16 PM

I think it is important to differentiate between news reporting and commentary.

Fox news is not any worse or better than the other news reporting. There is a difference in the priority of stories but that makes fox news a good alternative news source, just like MSNBC.

The commentary on Fox news/MSNBC is a different story. A commentary is just like an OP-Ed feature of a newspaper... it is just one person opinion and their opinion was chosen by the media because it appeals (entertains?) its customers.

I really have a hard time believing that anyone with a brain in their heads truly turns to the commentary on Fox News/MSNBC as an unbiased and complete source of news. It is an opinion. It is someone's interpretation of the news. It is entertainment pure and simple.

So when people (the White House?) are slamming the media, I think it is important to differentiate between the news portions and the commentaries.

I will get my news from different sources, but I don't waste my time on the commentaries. I can make my own inferences thank you media.

Aramike · 10-13-09, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I think it is important to differentiate between news reporting and commentary.

Fox news is not any worse or better than the other news reporting. There is a difference in the priority of stories but that makes fox news a good alternative news source, just like MSNBC.

The commentary on Fox news/MSNBC is a different story. A commentary is just like an OP-Ed feature of a newspaper... it is just one person opinion and their opinion was chosen by the media because it appeals (entertains?) its customers.

I really have a hard time believing that anyone with a brain in their heads truly turns to the commentary on Fox News/MSNBC as an unbiased and complete source of news. It is an opinion. It is someone's interpretation of the news. It is entertainment pure and simple.

So when people (the White House?) are slamming the media, I think it is important to differentiate between the news portions and the commentaries.

I will get my news from different sources, but I don't waste my time on the commentaries. I can make my own inferences thank you media.

Exactly. And for the White House to single out an entire NEWS OUTLET says far more about the White House than Fox News.

Was it Nixon that sought to avoid the New York Times?

Stupid then, stupid now.

nikimcbee · 10-30-09, 01:35 AM

Speaking of white house and news media, what ever happen to the body count in the Middle East? Is it just me, or have they lost count? Atleast they can count the number of times odufus has gone golfing

in the last 8 months. The thing that really makes me mad about the right currently, is the new call to withdraw. After all the time we spent beating up on the left for "cut and run", some seem awflly eager to get out of there now.

Here' my solution to the problem: I'll comprimise; Not one more troop to the region, in exchange, I want ALL ROE removed. I don't know where we went wrong on our history, that we nolonger fight to win (Except Gulf War 1) It seems like every military affair since Vietnam, we just make a half assed effort to fight

. With the exception of use of NBC, get put of the way of our military leaders and let them win. All of the micro-managing just drives me crazy. You can bomb here, but not there, you must assault the city, but no air or artillery support.

And then we ring our hands when we get bogged down.

It's not a partisan issue, but a national issue.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It is not hard news anymore. It is opinion news. Nothing more. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Opinions do sell. Ask Oprah. Really, the old days of hard news are gone. Beck is like Howard Stern...shock jock Scare tactics, innuendo are the order of the day at the news stations. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I think it is important to differentiate between news reporting and commentary. Fox news is not any worse or better than the other news reporting. There is a difference in the priority of stories but that makes fox news a good alternative news source, just like MSNBC. The commentary on Fox news/MSNBC is a different story. A commentary is just like an OP-Ed feature of a newspaper... it is just one person opinion and their opinion was chosen by the media because it appeals (entertains?) its customers. I really have a hard time believing that anyone with a brain in their heads truly turns to the commentary on Fox News/MSNBC as an unbiased and complete source of news. It is an opinion. It is someone's interpretation of the news. It is entertainment pure and simple. So when people (the White House?) are slamming the media, I think it is important to differentiate between the news portions and the commentaries. I will get my news from different sources, but I don't waste my time on the commentaries. I can make my own inferences thank you media. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Speaking of white house and news media, what ever happen to the body count in the Middle East? Is it just me, or have they lost count? Atleast they can count the number of times odufus has gone golfing in the last 8 months. The thing that really makes me mad about the right currently, is the new call to withdraw. After all the time we spent beating up on the left for "cut and run", some seem awflly eager to get out of there now. Here' my solution to the problem: I'll comprimise; Not one more troop to the region, in exchange, I want ALL ROE removed. I don't know where we went wrong on our history, that we nolonger fight to win (Except Gulf War 1) It seems like every military affair since Vietnam, we just make a half assed effort to fight. With the exception of use of NBC, get put of the way of our military leaders and let them win. All of the micro-managing just drives me crazy. You can bomb here, but not there, you must assault the city, but no air or artillery support. And then we ring our hands when we get bogged down. It's not a partisan issue, but a national issue. __________________