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Old 07-05-08, 10:21 AM   #31
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No, I was saying that if you take away there benefits that it will NOT stop uncontrolled pregnancy because of the fact that if there is fun to be had, people wont deprive them selves of it, just because of the lack of a state check.

Although, on the topic of sex education at the age of 4, I think that is a little young for the government to be intervene in sex ed, age 10 would be a good time to plant the seed in there minds without being to graphic, and 12-13 (Before puberty starts) tell them the whole shibang, because they will find out on there own anyways.(Better find out in class room than "Oh wow this feels great!" Then notice a little bulge a few months later.

Now if it was up to ME, about 10 years down the road, I would tell MY CHILDREN from a YOUNG age, as soon as it was practical for them to understand. Perhaps as early as 7 or 8.

So in short hand, it might not be the governments place at that early of an age, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that parent if they tell their children at that age.

Any questions, I will gladly answer.
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Old 07-05-08, 10:29 AM   #32
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<points to a buoy>

Excuse me capt'n, I think we are drifting off course here.
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Old 07-05-08, 10:46 AM   #33
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No, I was saying that if you take away there benefits that it will NOT stop uncontrolled pregnancy because of the fact that if there is fun to be had, people wont deprive them selves of it, just because of the lack of a state check.
Well some years back in Germany I believe when the State bought new rules in saying OK your first child was an error and you will receive benefit but not if you have a second one. Result the teenage birth rate fell, I stand corrected if Skybird points out any thing else.

Find by me if these teenagers want kids but there not getting one penny from the State. I'm sure it will fall as the UK has the worst record in Europe on this one.

Thanks for saying where you stood on the sex advice for 4 years olds, seems us lot here have more common sense on this one than those idiots who would like it too become a fact.
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Old 07-05-08, 02:09 PM   #34
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In the name of common sense children should live like children and have a childhood. Stop forcing them to grow up fast which only results in a messed up child.
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Old 07-05-08, 03:48 PM   #35
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On a side note...

My wife works as a surgical technician in a major teaching hospital here and notes that the OB doctors have stated on numerous occasions of having to talk to children as young as 11 because their parents didn't...to little, to late.

Some parents just refuse to talk to their kids and either skirt around the questions or not address them at all. Sad to say, but I don't remember getting that type of talk when I was growing up. Different school districts have different guidelines on what age to teach also. For instance, I had sex education at 6th grade (11/12 years old) while living in the Cypress-Fairbanks School District in NW 'burbs of Houston. They didn't give sex education here in a small school district in Illinois until 8th grade (13/14 years old). Shoot...by that time I remember kids in Houston bragging of their exploits.
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Old 07-05-08, 04:05 PM   #36
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It is the job of the parents in the first to enlighten their kids. The school is just a por surrogate - like for many other social resonsibilities that are parked on the school's shoulders, but should be adressed within families in the first.

A model project in Berlin sends project workers from outside the school into classes to talk with juveniles of age 14+ about sex. It is no good idea to leave that job to teachers who will meet with the same kids again afterwards - it might backfire on them, they may feel handicapped, and often they cannot imagine to what degree the youngster already know the explicit vocabularies and exotic practices. This project is said to perform much better than regular sexual education in schools.

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From a psychologist's perspective i must say the argument of that charity organisation is pseudo-intellectual excrement making mockery of every serious psychological theory of mental development in children we have.
Does it now.
No. I think in terms and refer more to Piaget, Badinter, Bettelheim, Psychoanalytical phase-model of developement. Curiosity is one (natural thing). Wether the mind is already fit enough to digest the facts of life "uncovered" is something very different. the right age to start thinking about talking about these things is more in the range of 12 years, I think, 10-11 at the earliest. as a rule of thumb i would say not in elementary school (Germany: schoolyears 1-4) , but with beginning of high school (5th schoolyear following).


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Well some years back in Germany I believe when the State bought new rules in saying OK your first child was an error and you will receive benefit but not if you have a second one. Result the teenage birth rate fell, I stand corrected if Skybird points out any thing else.
Sorry, never heared of that, and I also cannot imagine that you mean germany. such statistics would be new to me. and such sanctions by the state would have created an outcry in public that makes it difficult for me to imagine that it ever was official policy. But it's okay, maybe I simply don't know it indeed.
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Old 07-05-08, 04:26 PM   #37
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@Skybird it was a good 10 years ago and maybe things have changed.

I have a bad feeling things will only get worst thanks to you know who Skybird.
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Old 07-06-08, 07:27 PM   #38
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My Parents answered any questions that I had when I was growing up, but were careful on the detail when I was young (6-10). You don't need to tell them in graphic detail or lie, but if you just say the basics and wheigh up what the kid can cope with it will be better for them in the future.

If you wait till there teens it may be too late
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