I want flag burning and utter outrage in our western streets

[Abraham]

If you steel under an old administration you can be tried under a new one. I bet the death penalty for leaving Islam was in the previous legislation as well as in the new one.

[Type XXIII]

Well, I guess I have to make a stand sometime too...

And, no, I'm not going to defend Islam (much) this time.

This law is completely and utterly wrong. It is at conflict with the human-rights as stated by the UN. It is an example of extreme islamist politics and an abuse that the UN should not tolerate.

Islam as a religion must be tolerated, but not laws that are in conflict with human rights.

UPDATE: It appears the case against Rahman has been dropped, and that he will be released tomorrow, allegedly because of technicalities. link

The prosecutors giving in to outside pressure and trying not to lose face?

PS. Some posters should probably notice what source I used.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Abraham

If you steel under an old administration you can be tried under a new one. I bet the death penalty for leaving Islam was in the previous legislation as well as in the new one.

Its not really a "new administration" its a whole new goverment. Basicly they are (well now were) saying that their consitution (that was just written) prohibs this act. He commited the act before the law was on the books infact the "books" didn't exist since the goverment didn't exist. Even IRAN has an Ex Post Facto law (Article 169 Chapter 11 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran)!!

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Its not really a "new administration" its a whole new goverment. Basicly they are (well now were) saying that their consitution (that was just written) prohibs this act. He commited the act before the law was on the books infact the "books" didn't exist since the goverment didn't exist. Even IRAN has an Ex Post Facto law (Article 169 Chapter 11 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran)!!

Still I think that punishment of apostasy is an integral part of the Sharia-rules and as such can not be considered unpunishable. It might well be that under the Taliban government sutch rules were even stricter...

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Still I think that punishment of apostasy is an integral part of the Sharia-rules and as such can not be considered unpunishable. It might well be that under the Taliban government sutch rules were even stricter...

Agree. Any self respecting Muslim will simply tell you that Allah's laws are non-rescindable and have been around for 1400 years or possibly several thousands, as Islam refers to its capital punishment from Biblical origins. Example:

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 6.79, Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar

The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, "How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?" They replied, "We blacken their faces with coal and beat them." He said, "Don't you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?" They replied, "We do not find anything in it." 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them, "You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful." (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher's) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, "What is this?" So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, "This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm." So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

I have explained in the past why the above or similar Hadiths show the ignorance of Mohamed, the involved Jews or both. In brief, the Jews above should have correctly answered that capital punishment was abolished by the Sanhedrin some 2500 years ago. However, they may have simply been totally ignorant of Torah law. Of course, Mohamed, claiming to be a prophet, might simply be stating that through him and the Quran, capital punishment is back on the books. He's got the powwah!