Let`s Play Silent Hunter 5 realistically!

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Originally Posted by volodya61

Don't you know that Nazi Germany and USSR divided Poland in two parts, each under the sphere of influence of one of the two powers?

It was part of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, stipulated just one week before the German invasion. The Soviet aggression started only two and half weeks after the German one, by the way.

EDIT: I think I have finally grasped the reason of your disappointment. It is the close association of your Nation with Nazi Germany (which wrongly suggests a joined attack) that bothered you, isn't it?

Maybe I should have written "German / Soviet attacks" rather than "German-Russian attack". Sounds it better?

[volodya61]

Originally Posted by gap

Don't you know that Nazi Germany and USSR divided Poland in two parts, each under the sphere of influence of one of the two powers?

It was part of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, stipulated just one week before the German invasion. The Soviet aggression started only two and half weeks after the German one, by the way.

Yes, Gabriele .. I studied the history not only in the official Soviet sources of 80s.. and I know more about Pact than it's represented in wiki.. but if I remember correctly no one is called it aggression.. if it was aggression why didn't the Polish allies declared war on the Soviet Union?

Originally Posted by gap

EDIT: I think I have finally grasped the reason of your disappointment. It is the close association of your Nation with Nazi Germany (which wrongly suggests a joined attack) that bothered you, isn't it?

Maybe I should have written "German / Soviet attacks" rather than "German-Russian attack". Sounds it better?

Yes.. it sounds a bit better..

PS: In any case, I think that this subject is very complicated and has a lot of nuances that we do not know.. and will never know..

[Shaefer]

Originally Posted by gap

@ Shaefer and Trevally

Something I don't get about your video: was the taskforce reporting mission completed as soon as you entered the assigned area? Shouldn't you have the taskforce in sight, and use the report convoy button for it to be accomplished?

I was abit baffled about this as well. The taskforce Reporting mission completed as soon as I got a radio Message from BDU with green light to attack any polish ships in the bay area.

Originally Posted by gap

Also, I hope that Trevally didn't put too much merchant traffic in Baltic Operations: I think that, in wait for the German-Russian attack, most of the Polish merchant fleet had already been secured in Allied ports when the war actually started.

Diddent seem like there where to many at all. I had to search for quite some time to find the Merchant at the end of the video...

Thanks for watching

[SnipersHunter]

When do you upload the next episode ?

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Originally Posted by volodya61

Yes, Gabriele .. I studied the history not only in the official Soviet sources of 80s.. and I know more about Pact than it's represented in wiki.. but if I remember correctly no one is called it aggression.. if it was aggression why didn't the Polish allies declared war on the Soviet Union?

Yes.. it sounds a bit better..

PS: In any case, I think that this subject is very complicated and has a lot of nuances that we do not know.. and will never know..

Yes, my friend it is very complicated.

Though admitting that both Nazi Germany and USSR were harsh regimes, I am obviously (or maybe not so obviously, but now you know it anyway) much more ideologically incline to excuse Soviet "mistakes" than Nazi ones, so to speak. Believe me, I am totally immune from all the ridiculous anti-communism and pro-capitalism propaganda that even in my country spread from the end of WWII to the Fall of the Berlin Wall (and which is still ridden by many anachronistic right-hand parties in Europe, including Italy).

Nonetheless we got to admit that, despite the fact that they were committed in the name of noble ideals, Soviet crimes weren't in many cases lesser fierce than the ones perpetrated by the worst dictatorships, and that your leaders betrayed the same ideals which had inspired the October Revolution. Admitting it costs to me almost as much as it probably does to you.

Talking more specifically about the Soviet invasion of Poland, I know about it only little more than it is written on the Wikipedia article or on school text books, but I remember having seen a documentary (and a couple of movies) describing the atrocities committed by Soviet occuping forces against the defenceless Polish population. What is more hideous, is that Soviet Regime tried to conceal them as Nazi crimes, when they weren't.

But this is bringing us too far. Our initial point was the Soviet invasion of Poland. Fierce or not, its happening and its being planned together with the Nazi beasts shortly before the war actually broke out, is an historical fact which cannot be denied.

Sorry for the off topic

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Originally Posted by Shaefer

I was abit baffled about this as well. The taskforce Reporting mission completed as soon as I got a radio Message from BDU with green light to attack any polish ships in the bay area.

We should ask Trevally about it. Ideally, our research area should be wider, so to make the detection of the taskforce harder, and the mission should be passed only after detection and reporting of it.

Originally Posted by Shaefer

Diddent seem like there where to many at all. I had to search for quite some time to find the Merchant at the end of the video...

Okay

I also remember Trevally having said something on Polish subs in off the Bay of Danzig, by the way. Have you ever met one?

[volodya61]

me too sorry for the off topic

Originally Posted by gap

Yes, my friend it is very complicated.

Yes, crimes of the Soviet regime no less terrible than the crimes of the Nazis.. we all know and remember about Katyn massacre..
But for us, the people from the Soviet Union, those whom the world called Russian, they pale into insignificance before the crimes of the regime against its own people.. in my country there is no family that would not have been affected by the Stalin regime repressions..

[Shaefer]

Originally Posted by SnipersHunter

When do you upload the next episode ?

Thursday as I go to bed. I will be on my channal Friday.
Making these episode takes a while, with all the dead time in this game.
I dont have time to crank out a episode each day, I have a full time job, and it is quite demanding right now. We are in the prosses of finnishing a big contract.


@ Gap: I have not seen another u-boat, but I have picked them up when I dived to do a sonar search. If they where friend or foe, I have no idea

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

Also, I hope that Trevally didn't put too much merchant traffic in Baltic Operations: I think that, in wait for the German-Russian attack, most of the Polish merchant fleet had already been secured in Allied ports when the war actually started.

Originally Posted by Shaefer

I was abit baffled about this as well. The taskforce Reporting mission completed as soon as I got a radio Message from BDU with green light to attack any polish ships in the bay area.


Diddent seem like there where to many at all. I had to search for quite some time to find the Merchant at the end of the video...

Thanks for watching

Hi Guys

Ok - I need to come clean about the first objective - Danzig Bay
It has been written to play out like a movie
When your boat gets to within 8km of the orange marker (est visual range) a script is triggered.
This script is that either one of the two mine layer/sweeper will pass in front of you.
A huge German air attack (4 or 5 waves) will sweep in and attack the minelayers just before you have had time to set up an attack.

So this first mission is to watch SH5 in its glory and see spectacular air power demo.

There after the German fleet comes to town and mops up any leftovers.
Sit back and watch - the kill a cargo or two to finish the mission

Originally Posted by gap

We should ask Trevally about it. Ideally, our research area should be wider, so to make the detection of the taskforce harder, and the mission should be passed only after detection and reporting of it.



Okay

I also remember Trevally having said something on Polish subs in off the Bay of Danzig, by the way. Have you ever met one?

The many hydro contact you are getting are the Polish subs x5 minelayers x2 and I think the odd sweeper - (all as per wiki history)

I have set the area like this to ensure that the script get triggered. This is after all the intro

Future campaigns, objectives and missions will have a LARGE search area

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Originally Posted by volodya61

Yes, crimes of the Soviet regime no less terrible than the crimes of the Nazis.. we all know and remember about Katyn massacre..
But for us, the people from the Soviet Union, those whom the world called Russian, they pale into insignificance before the crimes of the regime against its own people.. in my country there is no family that would not have been affected by the Stalin regime repressions..

I am aware about it, Volodya, this is what I meant when I said that Sovied leaders betrayed revolution's ideals and, what is worst, their own People.

There is a secondary effect to it, probably lesser dramatic, but historically not lesser relevant: in the mentality of the standard western citizen, "communist" (i.e. egalitarian) ideology started being wrongly confuded with the repression by communist regimes. Unfortunately, this equivocation was exploited by the western economic lobbies, and provided them with the moral backing that they needed for creating this stupid world. In other words, Stalin and the likes missed a date with the history by failing to create a better world and, on the contrary, they contributed indirectly to this kind of soft dictatorship known as "liberalism", where everyone is TOTALLY FREE to do what someone else has conditioned him to do (at his own and his neighbour's expenses though).

Sorry again for the long OT, I got transported

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Hi Guys

Ok - I need to come clean about the first objective - Danzig Bay
It has been written to play out like a movie
When your boat gets to within 8km of the orange marker (est visual range) a script is triggered.
This script is that either one of the two mine layer/sweeper will pass in front of you.
A huge German air attack (4 or 5 waves) will sweep in and attack the minelayers just before you have had time to set up an attack.

So this first mission is to watch SH5 in its glory and see spectacular air power demo.

There after the German fleet comes to town and mops up any leftovers.
Sit back and watch - the kill a cargo or two to finish the mission


The many hydro contact you are getting are the Polish subs x5 minelayers x2 and I think the odd sweeper - (all as per wiki history)

I have set the area like this to ensure that the script get triggered. This is after all the intro

Future campaigns, objectives and missions will have a LARGE search area

Thank you for your clarifications Trevally,

I see your point about this heavily scripted objective. It is for making people happy with an easy starter, and to prevent them from throwing OH in the recycle bin after the first two patrol days. Isn't it?

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by gap

Thank you for your clarifications Trevally,

I see your point about this heavily scripted objective. It is for making people happy with an easy starter, and to prevent them from throwing OH in the recycle bin after the first two patrol days. Isn't it?

Yes - it was meant to give a wow factor to the start.
The less a player does - the more they will see in this objective.

I am just about to watch part three of the lets play - so lets hope

[plj]

Originally Posted by gap

We should ask Trevally about it. Ideally, our research area should be wider, so to make the detection of the taskforce harder, and the mission should be passed only after detection and reporting of it.

I can confirm that this mission registers accomplished as soon as I get the green light.

I also remember Trevally having said something on Polish subs in off the Bay of Danzig, by the way. Have you ever met one?

I had a sub contact once on my hydro .. thought it was an error

[Darkseed]

Personally I don't want you to cut the recording so much. Searching for contacts is a big part of the game as well, and just skipping to contacts feels like something's missing. Maybe you could just record everything and then edit some really boring parts out later? Maybe it's just me though.

[Trevally.]

Just watched part 3 - nice shooting

For me, the recording is very good. Where options allow, perhaps you could try a fast90 or perhaps just a solution using the scope only (no map).

[SnipersHunter]

Originally Posted by Shaefer

Thursday as I go to bed. I will be on my channal Friday.
Making these episode takes a while, with all the dead time in this game.
I dont have time to crank out a episode each day, I have a full time job, and it is quite demanding right now. We are in the prosses of finnishing a big contract.


@ Gap: I have not seen another u-boat, but I have picked them up when I dived to do a sonar search. If they where friend or foe, I have no idea

Okay i stay tuned