RSRD orders you to empty areas

[Diopos]

Originally Posted by NoGoodLandLubber

The government did it all the time in the 60s and 70s...

It still does!

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[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not a bug, it wasnt a bug in stock.The devs just didnt bother to put some traffic in certain areas but did write mission orders.Marshall Islands come to mind.

Armistead, I'm not bored with RSRD but knowing history I do notice things are missing, thus why desire some changes but RSRD is great, just needs some tweaking. Well instead of hunting the TF all the time, just patrol looking for convoys, play 100 realism, trying operating out of different areas, or try an older class of sub etc, there is a lot of variety in SH 4 with TMO and RSRD.

I'm sure SH 5 will be good eventually but I asked about it on the SH 5 forum a while back and had many PM warning me to wait a bit.I hate the DRM thing and will save myself the trouble.SH 5 currently looks very arcade like also.SH 4 is grea and only improving.With some changes to RSRD, could be really great.

Another thing I noticed about his convoys you usually get flash messages for them, course that takes being in the right place so you have a chance. He doe's have close to 100 convoys tied to flashes.

Most convoys in 44/45 run the shipping lane from Singapore to Hong Kong through Formosa to Shanghai. You'll find this lane so busy it ain't funny. These are the best in the game, most have a ASW light carrier and have planes patrolling the lane. Most have 6 plus Type AB's as escorts.

Sometime late 44 I think you get the flash message ships are running the coastline...and do they.

What would be helpful is more random generated traffic that loops, so the direction changes, best tool in the game. I wouldn't even mind if more of the TF looped.

The year I never see much convoys is 43, course I never go looking as I stay in the Truk to Home Waters shipping lane.

What we need is to rid many of the singles except for late war or simply add a few more merchants and build a few escorts. Japan did have a lot of single merchant traffic in locations, like all around Japan, China coast, yellow sea, ect., but the areas had lot's of smaller escorts patrolling, so more sub patrols is needed in these areas.

I hate unescorted singles over and over. Right now I am getting bored with it, probably more being flat on my back playing the hell out of it, guess it was more fun playing a few times a week. Just need more difficulty, but in a different way. Duc had many of his convoys going faster with more zig pattern. I've yet to run into a capital TF that I couldn't catch, should be rare to catch one.
Some of the speed between waypoints needs to be adjusted so at least in the campaign area they hit speeds faster than a sub.

Course we have to keep in mind most subs sank a few ships per patrol if that, so not sure lack of traffic is the issue. Right now playing cams off, contacts on, 90%.....cant stand not having stable binocs, the setting is unreal movement.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Another thing I noticed about his convoys you usually get flash messages for them, course that takes being in the right place so you have a chance. He doe's have close to 100 convoys tied to flashes.

Most convoys in 44/45 run the shipping lane from Singapore to Hong Kong through Formosa to Shanghai. You'll find this lane so busy it ain't funny. These are the best in the game, most have a ASW light carrier and have planes patrolling the lane. Most have 6 plus Type AB's as escorts.

Sometime late 44 I think you get the flash message ships are running the coastline...and do they.

What would be helpful is more random generated traffic that loops, so the direction changes, best tool in the game. I wouldn't even mind if more of the TF looped.

The year I never see much convoys is 43, course I never go looking as I stay in the Truk to Home Waters shipping lane.

What we need is to rid many of the singles except for late war or simply add a few more merchants and build a few escorts. Japan did have a lot of single merchant traffic in locations, like all around Japan, China coast, yellow sea, ect., but the areas had lot's of smaller escorts patrolling, so more sub patrols is needed in these areas.

I hate unescorted singles over and over. Right now I am getting bored with it, probably more being flat on my back playing the hell out of it, guess it was more fun playing a few times a week. Just need more difficulty, but in a different way. Duc had many of his convoys going faster with more zig pattern. I've yet to run into a capital TF that I couldn't catch, should be rare to catch one.
Some of the speed between waypoints needs to be adjusted so at least in the campaign area they hit speeds faster than a sub.

Course we have to keep in mind most subs sank a few ships per patrol if that, so not sure lack of traffic is the issue. Right now playing cams off, contacts on, 90%.....cant stand not having stable binocs, the setting is unreal movement.

Strange, because I see the convoy speeds change often in RSRD, Ill track a convoy at 11 knots, then itll drop to 9, then up to 10, makes tracking interesting.

Unescorted singles need to be eliminated starting April 44 and fully by July 1944, except for small fries like the Taihosan when on local transits.

In early war say 41 and to late 42 singles or two merchants unescorted were common, even on long trips although I think if ships made a long run from Japan to Singapore for instance, they would have an escort.

43 on should see less singles but still some.For instance Wahoo sank an unescorted convoy off New Guinea in January 1943.

Overall, the singles need to be reduced.Also the ones that have hydrophones later on need their radius reduced, rather far fetched that you cant get under 2,000 yards from a lone freighter while running at two knots before they start zig zagging.

Overall the convoys in RSRD are fine with me, they run their historic routes mostly.The thing that bothers me is certain areas really lack convoys where they had them.Places like Convoy College, Gulf of Siam, Yellow Sea(mostly) Sea of Japan(for later years) Marshall Islands should have a few convoys coming and going.

I plan to make some changes when I have time, been a busy week havent even really had a chance to play my currentl patrol.

hows Truk coming along?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Strange, because I see the convoy speeds change often in RSRD, Ill track a convoy at 11 knots, then itll drop to 9, then up to 10, makes tracking interesting.

Unescorted singles need to be eliminated starting April 44 and fully by July 1944, except for small fries like the Taihosan when on local transits.

In early war say 41 and to late 42 singles or two merchants unescorted were common, even on long trips although I think if ships made a long run from Japan to Singapore for instance, they would have an escort.

43 on should see less singles but still some.For instance Wahoo sank an unescorted convoy off New Guinea in January 1943.

Overall, the singles need to be reduced.Also the ones that have hydrophones later on need their radius reduced, rather far fetched that you cant get under 2,000 yards from a lone freighter while running at two knots before they start zig zagging.

Overall the convoys in RSRD are fine with me, they run their historic routes mostly.The thing that bothers me is certain areas really lack convoys where they had them.Places like Convoy College, Gulf of Siam, Yellow Sea(mostly) Sea of Japan(for later years) Marshall Islands should have a few convoys coming and going.

I plan to make some changes when I have time, been a busy week havent even really had a chance to play my currentl patrol.

hows Truk coming along?

Most convoys have set speeds, obvious they change when a escort sees ya. I checked some of the waypoints and you will get some random speed changes. Mostly I want fast TF. People debate, but I want most TF to go faster than the sub.

I'm still working with Truk. Have one issue with RSRD I need to figure or get help on. To do it right you have to add so many things to other files in RSRD, once I get my triggers figured out, I'll let you give it a ride. Now working with that python program and having to rework all my changes. Wish I would've seen that program that tater posted before, so much faster, just got to learn more how it works.

[Thrair]

Heh, my gripe is that I am ALWAYS sent to Convoy College. And since I tend to play early war, that means the air-cover there is thick as mosquitoes.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Most convoys have set speeds, obvious they change when a escort sees ya. I checked some of the waypoints and you will get some random speed changes. Mostly I want fast TF. People debate, but I want most TF to go faster than the sub.

I'm still working with Truk. Have one issue with RSRD I need to figure or get help on. To do it right you have to add so many things to other files in RSRD, once I get my triggers figured out, I'll let you give it a ride. Now working with that python program and having to rework all my changes. Wish I would've seen that program that tater posted before, so much faster, just got to learn more how it works.

I think some of the speeds he included are historic for TF.For example, the USS Sealion attacked a Battleship Division in Formosa Straits in November 1944....sank the Kongo.Now I figured 16 knots was slow but it turns out that was the speed they were making in RL when the attack went down, they quit zig zagging in the straits for whatever reason and moved at knots.Super high speeds burned a lot of fuel , esp for the escorts, Japan's fuel was in short supply, so they didnt always move around at 20 plus knots.

Cool well look forward to seeing your changes to Truk.You are scripting the airstrikes on appropriate dates times right?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Thrair

Heh, my gripe is that I am ALWAYS sent to Convoy College. And since I tend to play early war, that means the air-cover there is thick as mosquitoes.

What mods are you running?

I run TMO 2.0 with the new patch, which corrected aircraft spawns in TMO.Ducimus original theory was to have most planes at start of war to show Japans power at begining, less at end.However, he changed it thankfully to reflect history more....less planes in begin of war and increase as go on but not too much unless you are super close to an airbase, which show up on the map.

I was in Convoy College recently and air contacts were not bad, just right amount but because of RSRD, no traffic hardl in convoy college, kills me lol!

Originally Posted by Armistead

jld, I believe your game is messed up, TMO, nor RSRD doe's that. Your mods look OK. I assume you're running 1.5 Gold version, because that was a bug from long ago. You could try pulling all your mods out, but sounds like your game got fubared somewhere.


My guess is your have some corrupt files in your base game now and probably gonna have to reinstall. Just save your mods folder somewhere else and rename it.

So I copied over a fresh file of SHIV 1.5, added all the MODs again, installed them with JSGME, started a campaign Aug 5, 1942, and my first patrol from Midway sends me to ... you guessed it Bashi! Do I have the right version of RSRD? Got it from Lurker's site V502 posted 11/2009.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by jldjs

So I copied over a fresh file of SHIV 1.5, added all the MODs again, installed them with JSGME, started a campaign Aug 5, 1942, and my first patrol from Midway sends me to ... you guessed it Bashi! Do I have the right version of RSRD? Got it from Lurker's site V502 posted 11/2009.

Did you try another patrol to see if you would get sent there again?
You are using the correct version. I assume you meant April, not August, correct? You are using the RSRD patch...think you were.

Did you try just TMO first, then RSRD?


Possible a mod is corrupt, may want to try new downloads.


Be interesting to know if your traffic is working, try a career out of Manila and go sit right at the entrance to Lingayen gulf and wait at least 7 days and see if the big invasion force shows up. If you sit in the middle of Lingayen and head north, you can't miss it.

If that doesn't work, I don't know, something is wierd cause I don't know of anyone that has this problem. Let me know for sure of the dates, but I'll check and see the patrol zones for April 5.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by jldjs

So I copied over a fresh file of SHIV 1.5, added all the MODs again, installed them with JSGME, started a campaign Aug 5, 1942, and my first patrol from Midway sends me to ... you guessed it Bashi! Do I have the right version of RSRD? Got it from Lurker's site V502 posted 11/2009.

It appears your first patrol would be right near the Bungo, after that, depending on time you could go to the Luzon or near Tokyo. I see nothing that would send you to Bashi more than once, so you do have an issue somewhere.

I don't see anything in you mods messed up, but if one is corrupted, could cause an issue. First just make sure you run only TMO and RSRD and need patches for both before you load any other mods.

I'm sure it's been asked, but you are running version 1.5?

Originally Posted by Armistead

Did you try another patrol to see if you would get sent there again?
You are using the correct version. I assume you meant April, not August, correct? You are using the RSRD patch...think you were.


Did you try just TMO first, then RSRD?



Possible a mod is corrupt, may want to try new downloads.

Of what?

Be interesting to know if your traffic is working, try a career out of Manila and go sit right at the entrance to Lingayen gulf and wait at least 7 days and see if the big invasion force shows up. If you sit in the middle of Lingayen and head north, you can't miss it.



If that doesn't work, I don't know, something is wierd cause I don't know of anyone that has this problem. Let me know for sure of the dates, but I'll check and see the patrol zones for April 5.

OK I'll start another campaign from Manilla.

I meant Aug 5, 1942 and yes i installed the 5xx patch.
I was playing TMO alone first. Then I added RSRD and that's when I kept being sent to Bashi Channel
OK I'll start another campaign from Manilla.
OK I'll start another campaign from Manilla.

Originally Posted by Armistead

It appears your first patrol would be right near the Bungo, after that, depending on time you could go to the Luzon or near Tokyo. I see nothing that would send you to Bashi more than once, so you do have an issue somewhere.

I don't see anything in you mods messed up, but if one is corrupted, could cause an issue. First just make sure you run only TMO and RSRD and need patches for both before you load any other mods.

I'm sure it's been asked, but you are running version 1.5?

What are you looking at to know if the first patrol should go to Bungo? I'll look in the same place with what I have installed.
I'll try TMO and RSRD alone first then add the other MODs.
Oh yes, I am running SHIV 1.5 Gold. The only thing I changed was the Commands file in the CFG folder so I can use keys I preferred, e.g., Enter for normal time and CTRL-Enter for torpedo launch.
Hey, thanks for your patience with this. I'm pretty sure I have something screwed up up but can't find it on my own. I've only been playing for about 6 months so I don't understand the game's "inards".

P.S. I just ran with only these MODs;
TMO 2.0
TMO_20_Beta_update
RSRDC_TMO_V502
RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1

Started Dec 7, 1942 from Cavite on the USS Sargo and I was sent to Bashi.
Should I download RSRD again? Is there another site to DL from other than Lurker's? Any files I could look at to help you try and figure out what's going on with my MODs?

[Armistead]

You can open up the Patrol Objectives in the campaign files if you want to look. Think they're TSR files.

Now that you've got a fresh install I would try a few patrols. Depending on time you could get sent there a few times, but would be different locations. Try to start a career in Jan 42, will be in Surabaya...the TF option, not subpac, can't remember the full name, but in Jan from Surabaya you won't get shipped near Luzon.

Mod order looks good.

Your RSRD files may be corrupt, here's a site I use to DL.
http://www.silenthuntermods.com/foru....msg252#msg252

I DL'd two new copies of RSRD and the patch. I installed those with TMO2 and Beta. All works well, at least I'm not going to Bashi again. Tried 8 different campaigns, different times, different subs and got different patrol areas. These patrols ranged from Hokkaido area, to East China Sea West of Ryukus down to just off of Formosa.
Let's call this one this solved as a result of a "bad" DL of the RSRD file(s).
Thank you Armistead and others for indulging me on this one. I guess I'm fortunate so far that I've only experienced this one bad Dl of all the ones I've used.

[Armistead]

It's a pain, just went through it myself, just bout have to get everything new...have fun