plane crash near Smolensk, Polish president on board - Page 2

Onkel Neal · 04-10-10, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Storm87

Now we know the exact number of casualities - 96 (88 passengers and 8 crew members.) No one survived. Tu-154M crashed during 4th attempt to land. It hit the trees in heavy fog, few hundred meters away from the airfield. So a mistake of the pilot and bad weather conditions are most probably cause.

In crash died our president, Lech Kaczyñski, first lady Maria, along with 12 members of parlament, 2 senators, 3 deputy ministers, and many others parlament and government highly officials.

Also 3 persons from presidential staff, 9 priests (most of them were chaplains), 6 army generals, 15 WWII combatants and 8 secret service guards.

Here in Poland, we all (no matter of our political preferences) regreat that loss. Irreplaceable, extraordinary persons died there.

(sorry for bad english)

Well said. My condolences to your country's loss. This must really be a black day for you. Your friends here share your sorrow, mate.

Neal

tater · 04-10-10, 10:27 AM

4th attempt to land?

Hard to believe they had no ILS anyplace a President would fly to.

Sad indeed.

Storm87 · 04-10-10, 10:37 AM

This is also enormous tragedy for our military forces... Another one. Just 2 years ago we've lost 16 top commanders of our air forces (and 4 crew members) in C-295M "CASA" crash in Miros³awiec.

And now actually all army General Staff is gone... We lost today 6 head commanders of all kind of forces.

lt. gen. BRONIS£AW KWIATKOWSKI (operational forces)
gen. ANDRZEJ B£ASIK (air forces)
gen. TADEUSZ BUK (land forces)
gen. WOJCIECH POTASIÑSKI (special forces)
v. adm. ANDRZEJ KARWETA (navy)
gen. KAZIMIERZ GILARSKI (chief of general staff)

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Originally Posted by tater

4th attempt to land?

Hard to believe they had no ILS anyplace a President would fly to.

Sad indeed.

Yes, outdated Smolensk military airfield have no ILS system.

tater · 04-10-10, 10:52 AM

Storm87, what a terrible loss for Poland. Again, my deepest sympathy for your country.

HunterICX · 04-10-10, 11:05 AM

A sad day for Poland, and to think they where underway to attend to the 70th anniversary of the memorial of Katyn..

my thoughts go the the Polish people that lost too much today.

HunterICX

CCIP · 04-10-10, 11:21 AM

Again, condolences to Poland. Both on my part personally and as a Russian. This really is a national loss - it's one thing to lose the president or any single political figure, but to lose that many crucial and in many instances remarkable people is just beyond all politics.

I hope the causes of this are established, so far everything is pointing to human error. Whatever it is though, something has gone really wrong.

Onkel Neal · 04-10-10, 12:00 PM

Just a friendly reminder, let's stay on topic from here on, please.

Platapus · 04-10-10, 12:20 PM

De mortius nil nisi bonum dicendum est
Basic human dignity should move us at least honour the dead and show sympathy towards their families before engaging in petty squabbling about opinions about the character of the dead.

I did not know these people. But I know people who have died and people who have lost loved ones. I don't have to know these dead in order to empathize with the living about their loss.

Onkel Neal · 04-10-10, 12:34 PM

...on topic.

sonar732 · 04-10-10, 12:36 PM

Hopefully there won't be a power vacuum created and there will be a smooth transition. My condolences to the families and the country as a whole!

Storm87 · 04-10-10, 12:48 PM

Here You can find a full list of those who died in this disaster. This is a final list - 89 passengers and 7 crew members.

http://www.mmlodz.pl/8679/2010/4/10/...?category=news

And here, gallery with photos of most of them. In upper right corner you will find arrows to navigate. "Nastêpne" (next) and "Poprzednie" (back).

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/gid,12158338...a,galeria.html

Everything is in polish, but i think that words have not much importance here.

Sailor Steve · 04-10-10, 01:01 PM

A terrible tragedy.

Storm87, thanks for that link. It makes it more real and harder to ignore when you see the faces of the victims.

Sometimes it's too easy to say "So what? I didn't know them". I still don't know them, but at least now to me they were real people.

Jimbuna · 04-10-10, 01:44 PM

Appreciate the link Storm

04-10-10, 02:32 PM

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De mortius nil nisi bonum dicendum est

Surely that only counts till some time after the funerals are over, its not like anyone would go slagging the dead straight away is it.
Seriously, if it wasn't for the gap of decency that seperates the event and the legacy, some fool might start ranting about Polish politics at an inoppertune time.

UnderseaLcpl · 04-10-10, 03:21 PM

My condolences to the Polish people and the president's family. I don't know anything about him, but his station commands respect. <salute>

04-10-10, 11:05 AM	#20
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	A sad day for Poland, and to think they where underway to attend to the 70th anniversary of the memorial of Katyn.. my thoughts go the the Polish people that lost too much today. HunterICX __________________

04-10-10, 11:21 AM	#21
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Again, condolences to Poland. Both on my part personally and as a Russian. This really is a national loss - it's one thing to lose the president or any single political figure, but to lose that many crucial and in many instances remarkable people is just beyond all politics. I hope the causes of this are established, so far everything is pointing to human error. Whatever it is though, something has gone really wrong. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-10-10, 12:00 PM	#22
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Just a friendly reminder, let's stay on topic from here on, please. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-10-10, 12:20 PM	#23
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	De mortius nil nisi bonum dicendum est Basic human dignity should move us at least honour the dead and show sympathy towards their families before engaging in petty squabbling about opinions about the character of the dead. I did not know these people. But I know people who have died and people who have lost loved ones. I don't have to know these dead in order to empathize with the living about their loss. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-10-10, 12:34 PM	#24
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	...on topic. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-10-10, 10:27 AM	#17
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	4th attempt to land? Hard to believe they had no ILS anyplace a President would fly to. Sad indeed.

04-10-10, 10:52 AM	#19
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Storm87, what a terrible loss for Poland. Again, my deepest sympathy for your country.

04-10-10, 12:36 PM	#25
sonar732 The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Central MO Posts: 1,562 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Hopefully there won't be a power vacuum created and there will be a smooth transition. My condolences to the families and the country as a whole!

04-10-10, 12:48 PM	#26
Storm87 Mate Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tarnów (Poland) Posts: 56 Downloads: 470 Uploads: 0	Here You can find a full list of those who died in this disaster. This is a final list - 89 passengers and 7 crew members. http://www.mmlodz.pl/8679/2010/4/10/...?category=news And here, gallery with photos of most of them. In upper right corner you will find arrows to navigate. "Nastêpne" (next) and "Poprzednie" (back). http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/gid,12158338...a,galeria.html Everything is in polish, but i think that words have not much importance here.

04-10-10, 01:01 PM	#27
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	A terrible tragedy. Storm87, thanks for that link. It makes it more real and harder to ignore when you see the faces of the victims. Sometimes it's too easy to say "So what? I didn't know them". I still don't know them, but at least now to me they were real people. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-10-10, 01:44 PM	#28
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Appreciate the link Storm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-10-10, 03:21 PM	#30
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My condolences to the Polish people and the president's family. I don't know anything about him, but his station commands respect. <salute> __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force