QUESTION FOR LAWYERS : can we take any legal actions against UBI ?? - Page 2

Piddyx · 03-16-10, 12:03 PM

You can sue them in Louisiana. The laws are different there because they are derived from civil law instead of common law.

Coldcall · 03-16-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishu

That's not possible where I live, so it's not that simple; 1. the law explicitly revokes the right to return the game, 2. the stores over here haven't read the book on customer service - what is not required by the law is neither part of the service.

Where is "over here"? I'm sorry if thats the case. Bloody outrageous!!

VirtualVikingX · 03-16-10, 11:26 AM

I am a lawyer. And I would suggest that you start reading the EULA. Probably something there about the OSP. And anyhow, by Norwegian (and probably most EU-contries) law you can only claim what you have paid for the game. You cant go to court citing unlawfull terms of contract when you bought the game knowing about the DRM/OSP. And what would you demand instead? That they remove the OSP? The court cant decide that, we guys live in a free world.

And its not illegal for UBI to have a EULA (contract between you and them) that requieres you to have a permanent internet connection to play. Its a free market and this is a entertainment product, not a nessesity.

Compare it to iTunes/iPod-binding and DVD-zones. Controversial but not illegal.

gimpy117 · 03-16-10, 12:36 PM

oh boy lets start another frivolous lawsuit!!!!

capthelm · 03-16-10, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by fasol20

And what chance do we have , is it worth trying ? There must be thousands of us.... I am from europe I guess it should be easier in US what do you think ???

close these threads.

fasol20 · 03-16-10, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by capthelm

close these threads.

Why ?? You dont rule in here so go try ruliling on your uboat. !

Safe-Keeper · 03-16-10, 11:49 AM

Absolutely.

However, suing someone for making what you perceive to be a bad game is so ridiculous it would get you laughed out of court faster than... em... uhm... actually, I'm at a loss for examples.

Otherwise, I'd have sued Maxis for The Sims ages ago.

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close these threads.

Nah, let them have their fun. Best way to kill trolls is to just ignore them. Or ridicule them. I just add them to my ignore list and forget about them.

Though there have been a lot of kids with 2 posts or so starting troll threads with low-quality content lately. Perhaps someone should do an IP comparison or two

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IanC · 03-16-10, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Absolutely.

However, suing someone for making what you perceive to be a bad game is so ridiculous it would get you laughed out of court faster than... em... uhm... actually, I'm at a loss for examples.

What he perceives to be a bad game?

fasol20 · 03-16-10, 12:02 PM

safe keeper : I want to be able to use what I paid for that's why I ask . Technical support is wortless. One party is not keeping agrrement ( UBISOFT) . Cut the bull**** with troll post etc , if you dont have anything to say just dont ! Are you LAWYER ????

03-16-10, 12:18 PM

Sure, you can sue UBI. Heck, you can sue anybody you want here in the US. But will you win? That's going to be up to a judge and how he/she feels that particular day. Is paying up to $400 per hour to a lawyer plus paying for court costs going to be worth it to you? I don't think so considering you only payed about $50 for the game in general. Don't forget that UBI has lawyers too and they are on a fixed salary. They can drag the case on for YEARS before a judge is allowed to make a determination. By then you, and everyone else (considering a CA lawsuit with multiple parties is involved) will be drained of all money and the payoff will not be worth it. Because by then, UBI will release Silent Hunter VI and and Assassins Creed 3 and they will have generated enough money to prolong the case even longer.

To me, a lawsuit seems ridiculous. You should be able to take the game back for a decent refund if you bought it from a retail store to get back most of your money. That would be the easiest solution and would hurt UBI a lot more if that's what you want to do. Just stop supporting them and all their software titles from here on out if that's how you really feel. If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

IanC · 03-16-10, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69

If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

Ah yes, the 'Support them no matter what they dish out, because they're the only ones making subsims' argument...

Coldcall · 03-16-10, 12:43 PM

In a way it would be nice if SH5 was such a commercial dissapointment for Ubi that they sold the SH IP to a smaller development house to whom such a title would be real meat. It just seems that it is being under-developed because Ubi rather prioritise resources elsehwere on more profitble product streams.

If a poor SH release can still sell 200k copies at $50 a pop then thats still a gross figure of $10million in sales, so the commercials are in place for a smaller specialist developer - if Ubi let go of the IP that is.

Pappy55 · 03-16-10, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Absolutely.

However, suing someone for making what you perceive to be a bad game is so ridiculous it would get you laughed out of court faster than... em... uhm... actually, I'm at a loss for examples.

?

Ermmmm I thought this was all about the DRM and not the game its self???

Subwolf · 03-16-10, 12:56 PM

Well, as Ubi said, this isn't their fault. Sue those who attack their servers instead..

Immacolata · 03-18-10, 01:02 AM

I just knew it would be a bilge rat with a suggestion like that. Lawyers! Call the fire brigade!

No, you can't use lawyers for anything than stealing your money and your time in this matter.

Do as nef suggests. White & Sea - if Ubi allows the patches to hit and the game is fixed: go buy it. I know I am! I cant wait to see all that gorgeous 3d-water.

03-16-10, 12:36 PM	#4
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	oh boy lets start another frivolous lawsuit!!!! __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

03-18-10, 01:02 AM	#15
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I just knew it would be a bilge rat with a suggestion like that. Lawyers! Call the fire brigade! No, you can't use lawyers for anything than stealing your money and your time in this matter.Do as nef suggests. White & Sea - if Ubi allows the patches to hit and the game is fixed: go buy it. I know I am! I cant wait to see all that gorgeous 3d-water. __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

03-16-10, 12:03 PM	#1
Piddyx Watch Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 18 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	You can sue them in Louisiana. The laws are different there because they are derived from civil law instead of common law.

03-16-10, 11:26 AM	#3
VirtualVikingX Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 262 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I am a lawyer. And I would suggest that you start reading the EULA. Probably something there about the OSP. And anyhow, by Norwegian (and probably most EU-contries) law you can only claim what you have paid for the game. You cant go to court citing unlawfull terms of contract when you bought the game knowing about the DRM/OSP. And what would you demand instead? That they remove the OSP? The court cant decide that, we guys live in a free world. And its not illegal for UBI to have a EULA (contract between you and them) that requieres you to have a permanent internet connection to play. Its a free market and this is a entertainment product, not a nessesity. Compare it to iTunes/iPod-binding and DVD-zones. Controversial but not illegal.

03-16-10, 12:02 PM	#9
fasol20 Nub Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	safe keeper : I want to be able to use what I paid for that's why I ask . Technical support is wortless. One party is not keeping agrrement ( UBISOFT) . Cut the bull**** with troll post etc , if you dont have anything to say just dont ! Are you LAWYER ????

03-16-10, 12:18 PM	#10
thorn69 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Sure, you can sue UBI. Heck, you can sue anybody you want here in the US. But will you win? That's going to be up to a judge and how he/she feels that particular day. Is paying up to $400 per hour to a lawyer plus paying for court costs going to be worth it to you? I don't think so considering you only payed about $50 for the game in general. Don't forget that UBI has lawyers too and they are on a fixed salary. They can drag the case on for YEARS before a judge is allowed to make a determination. By then you, and everyone else (considering a CA lawsuit with multiple parties is involved) will be drained of all money and the payoff will not be worth it. Because by then, UBI will release Silent Hunter VI and and Assassins Creed 3 and they will have generated enough money to prolong the case even longer. To me, a lawsuit seems ridiculous. You should be able to take the game back for a decent refund if you bought it from a retail store to get back most of your money. That would be the easiest solution and would hurt UBI a lot more if that's what you want to do. Just stop supporting them and all their software titles from here on out if that's how you really feel. If enough people do that, then UBI will fold and go bankrupt eventually. But then who will even come close to delivering us another submarine simulation? It's a double edge sword either way you look at it. Do what you want but I'm going to continue to support UBI because it's the only company that's been releasing decent submarine simulators in the past decade. Janes is dead and has been for sometime now. UBI is all there is. Thank God for them!

03-16-10, 12:43 PM	#12
Coldcall Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 325 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	In a way it would be nice if SH5 was such a commercial dissapointment for Ubi that they sold the SH IP to a smaller development house to whom such a title would be real meat. It just seems that it is being under-developed because Ubi rather prioritise resources elsehwere on more profitble product streams. If a poor SH release can still sell 200k copies at $50 a pop then thats still a gross figure of $10million in sales, so the commercials are in place for a smaller specialist developer - if Ubi let go of the IP that is.

03-16-10, 12:56 PM	#14
Subwolf Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA/Norway Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Well, as Ubi said, this isn't their fault. Sue those who attack their servers instead..